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Old 09-04-02, 12:31 PM   #1
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Cannodale Scalpel 1000

I am thinking of purchasing a Cannodale Scalpel 1000 and I was wondering if any one could provide me with feedback etc., with respect to this particular bike?

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What do you want to know?

1) It's a great short travel XC bike.
2) Cannondale makes a great frame and has a strong warranty to back it up.
3) People either love C'Dales or call them Crack-n-fails (probably due to envy).
4) Coda (in-house brand) components are not the greatest, but no need to replace them until they fail.
5) You won't be dissapointed.
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Hey,
I've never ridden a scalpel but i've seen enough going downhill, uphill, and heard enough stories about them. The thing i noticed about it going uphill is that it BOBBED all the way through the stroke. Like every pedal input made it bob going uphill. You probably wouldnt notice it since it's a short travel fs/xc bike but it does bob. Going downhill it wont make a dammed bit of differance since the travel is so little, but it will smooth it out. And finally i've heard of those chainstays snapping right in the middle. This was from a reliable source too.
so much for a lifetime warrenty if you cant ride the dammed thing.

Also to respond to A2psyklnut's thing about people "calling cannondales crack-and-fales" is due to the things being over priced and generally they do brake. Also A2 by any chhance are you from Ann Arbor Michigan?
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Nope, not from Michigan.

And yep, Cannondale's do break, but not anymore than any other companies products. I think C'Dale gets a bad rep unjustly.

I've seen a lot of bikes fail, usually due to rider error. I've seen Jeykll's break due to being ridden off a 6'0" drop. Not what that bike was designed to handle. I've also ridden my hardtail above and beyond it's "intended" use and it's survived without a wince!

The Scapel is designed as a XC race bike. In today's day and age, that means NO big drops and not super technical trails, no big jumps either. This bike is designed to go fast and take the edge off of bumpy terrain.

If you're not a racer, and want a little more bump absorbtion, get a different bike. There are a ton of trailbikes to choose from. I personally like the Specialized FSR-XC or the Giant XTC. If you are stuck on C'Dale, the Jeykll is a more versatile all around bike that can be adjusted to suit different terrain and different rider styles.

Also, I do not think C'Dales are overpriced. I think they're more expensive than other bikes in their categories. BUT they handmade in the USA, compared to machine made Overseas. That's important to some people, others don't really care.

If you want to compare apples to apples, compare a Cannondale to any other aluminum bike handmade in the USA like a Yeti, a Turner, or an Intense, or upper end TREK's or another custom frame builder from the USA. You'll soon learn that MADE in the USA, costs, and costs a lot. With that in mind, Cannondales are a bargain!
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I think made in USA is kinda a gimmick. As long as the frame doesn't fail who cares. And the smaller brands aren't big enough to produce overseas and obviously do a lot of the work themselves.

I think the Scapel the a decent bike, but my FSR is so much better. Copa parts are crap, compared to other house brand parts.

But to my perspective. The Scapel is the ONLY c-dale I would consdier buying. I hate the lefty's, but its a quick bike with a good frame. But off topic c-dale road bikes are good.
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Cannondale earned the Crack'n'fail moniker with their frames of about 10 years ago. They basically started making frames that were too light, and their engineering process wasn't as refined as it is today. The result was frames breaking on people under normal riding circumstances. The good news, with their aluminum at least, is that they no longer live up to that reputation. Additionally, they aren't overpriced above the mid range anymore, either, IMHO. True, they are expensive, but their frames are impressive. Lots of techie stuff going on there.

Just want to make sure that someone doesn't get scared away from Cannondale because of an old wives tale. As for the Scalpel, I'm not sure it's the bike for me, but it's a good cross country only bike. If I dish out that kind of cash, though, I want a bike with a little more travel.
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What about the Gemini? I don't think the price difference is so great that it must be excluded? I have one, and I'm a very happy bunny.

My lbs say the Lefty is ok, but I think it is overpriced for the travel it gives. Also, if C'Dale were so confident that their Lefty is the way forward, then they'd have put it on the Gemini, or at least offer it as an option. The Lefty is an expensive fork, and at least in the UK, its cost is not much less than the frame.

FWIW, I think the Gemini has a better spec than the Scalpel. The Scalpel with the flexible carbon-fiber chainstays is a very nice bike. I had a ride on one, and the ability to soak up the limited bumps I rode over suggested it did not need a rear shock. But then again, what's an inch of concrete compared to the real world off-road where you'd want to go.

The Lefty with ELO is an interesting concept. But I see the RS 2003 (World Cup SID?) also sports an ELO now as well.
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Gemini Gemini Gemini..........crack 'n' fail.
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Nope, not from Michigan.

And yep, Cannondale's do break, but not anymore than any other companies products. I think C'Dale gets a bad rep unjustly.
Unfortunately I think they get this rep because of cost. point for point canondale is way more expensive than anyone out there. When I look at the cost I think it should be indestructible. They aren't, they are still just bikes (and not burly freeriders I might add).

I of course only demo'ed one. I would never even consider buying one. If I had the money to get even their entry level dually I would go buy another brand.
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Gemini Gemini Gemini..........crack 'n' fail.
Klein, did I miss something here or are you quoting from real world experience?

Do this for me. Take a Cannondale, Trek, anything else you want - why, even your favourite will do. Run each bike against a wall at say, 30 mph, what do you think the chances are that only the C'Dale will break, sustain damage?

All cars have the potential to kill, to cause damage, to be damaged. At rest, that is not so likely. But like the say, the weakest nut in a car, is the one behind the wheel.

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Everyone's frames break!

I've seen a lot of pictures of Santa Cruz Bullits, Intense M1, Foes, Kona's, Rocky Mtn,....you name it! If you ride them beyond their designed intentions, it will probably sustain damage.

Are Cannondales more expensive? I think I've covered that already, some of you people need to learn how to read AND comprehend!!!

They are more expensive because they're made in the USA. We American's get paid more for labor than the Chinese and Tiwanese. Plus, there is a lot more attention to detail (sanded welds) and Cannondales paint jobs are far superior.

Yes they cost more - no doubt about it. But you get more quality for your money!

If you don't like Cannondales, don't ride one, but shut up already!

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I've seen a lot of pictures of Santa Cruz Bullits, Intense M1, Foes, Kona's, Rocky Mtn,....you name it! If you ride them beyond their designed intentions, it will probably sustain damage.

Are Cannondales more expensive? I think I've covered that already, some of you people need to learn how to read AND comprehend!!!

They are more expensive because they're made in the USA. We American's get paid more for labor than the Chinese and Tiwanese. Plus, there is a lot more attention to detail (sanded welds) and Cannondales paint jobs are far superior.

Yes they cost more - no doubt about it. But you get more quality for your money!

If you don't like Cannondales, don't ride one, but shut up already!
Yey! You tell them, and I'll hide beyond you, somewhere safe, out of flame range.

I like C'Dale, immensely. Apart from one road bike, all my bikes have been C'Dale. I had a (sadly stolen) Saeco Team Replica (fortunately I paid used price) and an R300 (a much cheaper frame) that I had re-specced. And now the Gemini. I've already seen the new Gemini 900, a real nice paint job, and I warmed to the red/white 2000 very much as well. Right now, it might be my only bike, but the black 1000 I have is a beauty - and I like her very much.

I wish I could be more agressive like the US forum members, so here goes, "If you don't like Cannondales, don't ride one, but shut up already!". See? I don't plagiarise, ever.
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Thanks for watching my back Bokkie.

What irks me the most is that the complainers seem to have never even ridden the bikes they are complaining about. They just jump on the demeaning bandwagon.

We had a mechanic that hated C'Dales. Yet, he never rode one. As a matter of fact he didn't even ride a mountain bike, but was the most vocal when it came to complaining about them.

I rode a bunch of bikes in my life. The worst design of them all, and one that had constant maintenance problems were the Klein's single pivots. They were crap, and rode like crap! But I don't go around bashing them (unless provoked of course!). I had plenty of time working on them. The headset (1-1/4") was a pain in the rectum! Could never get parts quickly and their aluminum was so thin and fragile they were constantly getting damaged and Klein's warranty department was constantly rejecting claims stating user misuse.

Never had problems like that with Cannondale!

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Could never get parts quickly and their aluminum was so thin and fragile they were constantly getting damaged and Klein's warranty department was constantly rejecting claims stating user misuse
Before I got the Saeco Replica, I nearly went for the Klein Quantum Pro. It was a real nice bike, and I saw it at a bike show. Somehow, the glitzy presentation put me off for some reason. After that, I used to ride around with a group of irregulars, and two of the guys had Kleins, and both had a yearning for my C'Dale. I won't bash Klein either. My lbs has a decent spread of them on show, mostly the Attitudes (?) and other mtb variants. Paint job is great, I wonder if anyone does better, but close up, the components look a little 'short' but the price is high.
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Well I am not going to argue. Simply because I haven't ridden them. I think they look awesome. They definately have some improvements in their bikes I may like to see in others. But from a non racers point of view they are expensive. Up there with Orange and ellsworth. I am not insulting them but I personally and most normal riders don't believe they are worth the money.

As for durability Norco and Rocky Mountain make TOUGH mountain bikes cheap. (Norco is questionable at times but their high end stuff is awesome) You really won't convince me otherwise. I have watched these bikes ride over the toughest terrain and survive perfectly. These bikes around 1000's cheaper than Canon.

The lefty thing just messes me up. Cool looking but kinda scary

I am not saying canondale isn't tough, I don't know and really no one out here rides them for whatever reason (probably price) except the odd xc guy. I just don't think the extra 1000$ without a noticable improvement is gonna cut it. Thats just my opinion and I am not slamming canondaleI just don't see the value as a non-sponsored / semi pro racer.

Theres really no need to tell me (or anyone to shutup) about a topic. I can have opinions about something without riding or using the product. Analyzing a cost to value ratio is easily done without having used it.

If I ever have a spare 3000 or 4000$ lying around I would buy a canondale just to see what its like.

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I must apologize for going off. I didn't mean to offend everyone, but I try to make sure not to comment on things I know nothing about, or I state I am uninformed about a topic. I know a lot of people use whats discussed here to make decisions about what to try or buy. I always try to be helpful when I can. It just pisses me off, when someone slams a company (not just Cannondale) or a person, or a product when they haven't had any actual experience. It's kinda like spreading a rumor. No, it is spreading a rumor!

If you've had a product and had a problem, great let us know. That is critical. But just to bash something is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

I had a Gary Fisher that cracked on me. If someone asks if they've had problems with their Gary Fisher, I tell them. I don't go around saying Gary Fishers are junk and break and crack! Which in my experience they do! JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER MANUFACTURER'S BIKES!!!!!

Sorry for venting earlier!

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I agree completely. No real need to apologize I vent sometimes myself especially when I deal with the same problem day in and out. I try not to critique companies I have not used. But sometimes if I know something breaks from my friends or other riders in the areas experience I will relay that info. I have never actually heard of Gary fischers breaking. But in all reality I live in a fantasy world of bikes. Most locals own Norco VPS series, Santa Cruz, Kona Stinky's and up, and of course rm7's. All of these bikes are tough and I can give honest opinions about their actual quality.

Anyways now I am just babbling. I haven't heard anything good or bad about canondales just my own personal research shows me a questionable value factor when compared to the bikes I 'know' are bombproof. Thats all Cheers.

ps How does it feel riding a bike missing one side of the fork. I only did a quick demo, do you ever get used to the feeling of loss. It reminded me of missing an arm of something.
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I'm a clydesdale and had some definate concerns when I bought the bike. The owner reassured me I wouldn't have any problems and told me if I did damage the fork, he replace the whole bike! I tried, I really tried to do something to it. To no avail. It's way stiffer than any other 4" travel fork I rode. Looking down and seeing only half a fork took some getting used to.

Think about this, the Lefty isn't a fork, it's a strut. A lot of aircraft use struts in their landing gear. Much of the same technology was utilized to make the Lefty. The hub is tapered. The hub flanges are two different diameters with the wider diameter at the inside and the axle is cone shaped and gets smaller toward the outside.

Without the technological advancements in disc brakes, the Lefty would never be!

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If you like cannondale that's good for you, but you dont need to ramble on pointlessly to people. If you want me to shut up about my dis-like for cannondale bite my white ass . i really dont give a dam what you say, i'll say what i want. but i've ridden and seen many cannondales and i still say they suck
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If you ride them beyond their designed intentions, it will probably sustain damage.
So....dont plan on riding to your mailbox to pick up the mail on your cannondale..
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Whatever! (Sarcastic Tone Implied!)

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