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Old 09-27-05, 06:08 AM   #1
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is there any other bike out there

which has a frame geometry etc similar to the santa cruz chameleon? cuz the chameleon is too expensive! but it looks sweeeeeeeeet! perfect. that bike looks like it can do trails and yet do tough stuff. i just bought a bike and am also just beginning to do stuff so of course i am not in the market at all. but i cannot help drooling. that bike looks very rideable (flat dirt, uphills, descents) and also very tough. man. i would like something like that. is there any other hardtail out there similar to this bike but cheaper but yet good and strong? which can sort of do everything? just so i can put something in my wish list. it is nice to have goals.

(ps- i had my first big crash today. well not exactly crash but first big wound anyway. i fell and somehow or the other the teeth of the big chainwheel up front dug deep into my big toe. like bang. you should have seen my sandals, yuck, painted with blood. yep, like an a**hole i dont wear shoes when i go out. in fact i only own a pair of shoes to wear with my suit or pants when i go for official work and a pair of dr marten boots for otherwise purposes. i love them, my last pair i wore for six years, no sh*t. i hate sneakers! but i guess i will have to buy a cheap pair. oh well..)
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Short answer......NOPE! I used to have a chameleon and I absolutely loved it. Out of the 10 - 15 mountain bikes I have had over the past four years that is the one that I really regret selling. That bike was awesome. I was about to build up another one this year but decided to build up a race hardtail instead.

I still may build another one up sometime, just not right away.
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wow. why the heck did you sell it? if i had that bike i would be set for life. i hope you build yourself one whenever you can. i just went to mtbr to see reviews and they like it too. cool. i thought it was a tough bike when i saw the photo on the santacruz web site.

is there really nothing remotely like this one out there that is cheaper? that can climb and be ridden for urban stuff as well like they say? one guy says he just changes the stem, long for xc and short for other stuff, and goes riding. wow. like having five bikes in one.

ps- why can't you race on this bike?
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I sold it last year, that was four bikes ago I think. I sold it to build up a race hardtail. Unfortunately it is just too heavy to be a true "race" bike. It is pretty easy to have a full suspension xc race bike that weighs less than the chameleon.

I hate to seem like a jackass but in my opinion the chameleon is a pretty cheap bike (only cost wise). Most bikes like it cost a lot more. The frame is fairly cheap then just build it up how you like. It's very possible to build it up for around $1500.

Here is a picture of my old one.
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wee yeah thats it. that is sweet. i have a picture of it on my desktop right now and that one has a larger travel fork so it is chopped like a motorcycle. but yeah that is it. beautiful bike! for some reason i just like it so much. i dont even know much about bike and geomteries and stuff. the other day i was comparing my bike geomtery with a rockhopper cuz i wanted to see why people say that one is tougher and the only big difference i found was the wheel base was larger in the rockhopper. anyway, so i dont know jacksh*t about stuff like that i would guess but for some reason the minute i saw this bike i was like whoa. and its just not the way it looks cuz well most new bikes look really awesome, especially on their manufacturing site pictures. it just looks solid or reliable or something..like an old goat. ha

1500 dollars huh? cool. that is not too bad. the website had them, what with build kits and everything for cheapest 2200? or 2100 or something. 1500 dollars, i could do that in two years time. hopefully!!

ps- everything is expensive when you are newly married and not working cuz you went back to school. also i am primarily from india so the thought of spending the equivalent of 2000 odd dollars on a bike is unnerving to say the least. the bikes we have there cost nothing more than, what, 25 dollars?
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*disclaimer* The bike pictured would cost much more than $1500 to build. You would definately have to make some sacrifices.

As for the $2,000 on a bike I can relate. I hate to spend more than that on one but somehow it still seems to happen. I've decided to try not to look at the price as much as the enjoyment I will be getting out of the purchase. Therefore I don't feel too bad when I ride a bike that costs $5,000 or $6,000. Knowing that I work my ass off to have nice things helps ease the guilt factor as well.
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6000 dollars. wow. my brother in law got himself some mitusbishi car for 4000 dollars in MA. but yeah well, no need to feel guilt, it is your money and you worked for it and you seem to do a lot of riding, races etcetera so hell, why not. have fun!

check this one out: i like this bike too

http://www.bansheebikes.com/bike-scirocco.html

very very nice. the chameleon seems more streamlined for easier riding i suppose but this one seems tougher atleast from the sheer looks of it. looks good for trails too. i wonder which will pedal better. hmm. man i wish there was a shop here that had these bike so i could atleast try them out. hey by the way i cannot see pictures of the second bike on your list. fix it!
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Ok, picture fixed. It was always on the second page though. The one's on the first page were lost when the site that I used to host pictures changed servers.
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I have played on one. It felt very similar to an old kona roast Norco Wolverine. (2002 era) I imagine you could find a bike that would feel similar without much of a problem. I found it a pretty common geometry for a fr/xc ht setup.
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i am digging the banshee man. i think i would be embarassed riding a santacruz. it is too fancy. heh. maybe if they let me have one without the decals.. seriously though, you guys have such beautiful options in europe/america. you guys are lucky. every time i am struck by the beautiful stuff available here in thailand (they have frigging walkways over streets so a pedestrian can get to the other side!) my wife says "wait till you get to america". sh*t. i never even heard of a geared bike until 3 months ago.. thought those were limited to hotshots on x games and tour de france. and now i own one, amazing. god bless little miracles.

ps, lowcel, you have beautiful rides man! though you do put your seat up pretty damn high! gives me backache looking at it!
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LOL, thank ya. The seat isn't necessarily up that high, they are just compact frames. Most people that ride / race xc have the seats up like that. It is the most efficient postition for the pedal stroke.

However I am thinking about flipping the stem on my hardtail to give me a little more saddle / handlebar drop.
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The santa cruz chameleon, the quintessential do it all bike.
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I would say just save your money for the bike you want. I don't think you will be very happy buying a simalier bike cuase you want a different bike. So just save.

Hmm, that was confusing.
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I would say just save your money for the bike you want. I don't think you will be very happy buying a simalier bike cuase you want a different bike. So just save.

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The Santa Cruz Chameleon and the Trek 6500 are in no way similar in any shape or form.

The chameleon is actually Santa Cruz' original freeride hardtail and can take a 7" single crown with ease.

The trek 6500 is a xc hardtail, where any fork over 4" will void the warranty. 5"+ can cause the head tube to snap off.
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The Santa Cruz Chameleon and the Trek 6500 are in no way similar in any shape or form.

The chameleon is actually Santa Cruz' original freeride hardtail and can take a 7" single crown with ease.

The trek 6500 is a xc hardtail, where any fork over 4" will void the warranty. 5"+ can cause the head tube to snap off.
yes yes i know i know. you guys have mentioned that before. dont keep reminding me please.

actually, i love my bike. i mean it is, after all, a BIKE! it has gears (!) and suspension (!!) no matter how this or that the suspension might be when you consider other options and opinions out there. and anyway it serves my purposes for now, which are small and random. and it pleases me thoroughly. but we can be greedy. no?

i was just drooling when i saw this bike when i followed a link from a thread here into the santacruz site. i really liked the bike so wondered if there is any thing like it but cheaper. i found the banshee which i think rocks too. anyway, i dont need to buy a bike at all. i am just enjoying drooling and dreaming that two years have gone, we are in america, i get a job and start working again, i get a pay check, i buy a new bike. which might be any of these two. woohoo!
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