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    XT vs. XTR

    Discuss your opinions on the both

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    lighter, lightest
    expensive, most expensive
    works great, works great
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    That about sums it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seely
    lighter, lightest
    expensive, most expensive
    works great, works great
    Lighter / Too light
    Durable / Less durable
    Works great for everyone / Works great if someone else is buying

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    Quote Originally Posted by seely
    lighter, lightest
    expensive, most expensive
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    Agreed.

    This is the same discussion as Ultegra v Dura Ace. Point is, why would you want to spend so much more when you're getting relatively much less than the previous upgrade (ie 105 to Ultegra, LX to XT)?

    You'll note that I can be classified as biased by glancing over my rides' componentry, but I just don't see the point for paying for the extra R. High end Shimano stuff is ruddy good, and I guess I think of the very top end for those who are a) very wealthy; or b) sponsored by Shimano.

    Just my £0.02.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Gaunt
    Agreed.

    This is the same discussion as Ultegra v Dura Ace. Point is, why would you want to spend so much more when you're getting relatively much less than the previous upgrade (ie 105 to Ultegra, LX to XT)?

    You'll note that I can be classified as biased by glancing over my rides' componentry, but I just don't see the point for paying for the extra R. High end Shimano stuff is ruddy good, and I guess I think of the very top end for those who are a) very wealthy; or b) sponsored by Shimano.

    Just my £0.02.
    That post is worth a pint in my book. The highest I'd go on any of my bikes would be XT, (X-9) on a MTB or Ultegra for the road. Leave the race stuff to the wannabe's, sponsered riders, and the guys who have more money than brains

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiyn
    That post is worth a pint in my book. The highest I'd go on any of my bikes would be XT, (X-9) on a MTB or Ultegra for the road. Leave the race stuff to the wannabe's, sponsered riders, and the guys who have more money than brains
    Thanks, Raiyn. I reckon the XT/X-9/Ultegra level is where the smart money is spent. Here's why: Shimano brag about the fact that Ultegra is "manufactured to the same level" as DA, and most of the componentry is interchangeable anyway. Paying for the name is exactly what you're doing by buying DA or XTR and when I see an Ult or XT bike I think "there's a smart rider, an enthusiast, a true lover and knowledgable rider" as opposed to "there's someone who's either a poseur, got a very fat wallet, has no idea about the sport or who is owned by a label".

    If I was given DA, I'd ride it for sure. But I know what it feels like because I ride Ultegra. Same with XTR and XT.
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    I have the Princess' permission to spend up to $1,000/month on bikes stuff if I want. And I still won't bother with XTR. Geez, we took the XT/XTR off our tandem and replaced it with X9. To me, XTR is the equivalent of a turbo Corvette in NYC. You're just spending money, with no real benefit. Road gear is different, but there's still better places to spend your money when speccing a bike.

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    Road gear is different
    How?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Gaunt
    How?!
    Well, for one it doesn't take the beating that MTB components take. Beyond that I don't know.....



    I am definately an Ultegra / XT man though.

    The best deals I have seen on cycling right now are getting older XT/LX components and 9 speed ultegra/105 components at deep discounts.

    I can't imagine having anything just work better than the XT/Ultegra level. I think above that all you are getting is shinier bits

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    XT is the best bang for the buck. XTR is nice if you can get it CHEAP (Ebay, etc.). All my bikes run XTR, but it took several months of careful shopping to get the components. In the end, I got a lot of XTR stuff for below the cost of XT's price - but you need to be patient and seek out the deals.

    XTR is lighter. If that is your only goal, then there is no substitute IMO. I have not had the durability problems with XTR like some others have, and I race hard and often (and I'm not sponsored by Shimano, either). My shifts are still crisp after thousands of miles. My crankset is still smooth and the teeth still robust. And nothing beats the smoothness of XTR trigger shifters - even if it means 2:1 actuation.
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    i would go all out for XTR.. lightest,best and the owner in the bike shop offered me a 40% discount because he wanted to clear all the stocks he had for next year..

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    It's funny when people are talking about bikes and not buying the high end components but when it comes to buying TV's, SUV's, ATV's, boats, etc. you don't think twice about buying the best money can buy. If that's how you think than why not just buy a $10,000 car instead of that $30,000 SUV? Granted there are a few that need a SUV for pulling that expensive boat or 4 runners but realistically most could get by with a low end car. I don't smoke, drink, max out my credit cards, have any car payments so I can afford that XTR bike. At least with biking you get more bang for your buck with the exercise you get. I also shop like shane45.

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    What's the main difference between XT and LX? Is it definitely worth the jump in price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrali
    What's the main difference between XT and LX? Is it definitely worth the jump in price?
    IMO, yes. The differences in durability/reliability/adjustability are more apparent than the jump from XT to XTR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Groundhog1248
    It's funny when people are talking about bikes and not buying the high end components but when it comes to buying TV's, SUV's, ATV's, boats, etc. you don't think twice about buying the best money can buy.
    I don't think that is the case at all. People apply value/price judgements to all things they buy. Especially the big ticket items like Cars, Boats, Etc..........

    Now , people spend a disproportionate amount of their money on crap like you mentioned above, but that is a different issue altogether.


    I have XT / Ultegra

    Why?

    what is the point of XT/DA if you are not racing? Where is the added functionality? My XT / Ultegra stuff works flawlessly. How do you improve on flawless functionality? I even race with XT/ Ultegra. It hasn't broken yet. It might have cuased me to finish 10th instead of 9th. So be it. I will blame my lungs more than my components.

    It is lighter and shinier and that is it. That is what you get for your extra money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unsuspended
    what is the point of XT/DA if you are not racing? ... It is lighter and shinier and that is it.
    I don't buy that reasoning. We'd all be driving Yugo's if that were the case. I don't need to be a racer to appreciate and desire a Ferrari.

    There is also something called "pride of ownership" and the knowledge that certain components are hand assembled and tuned to a better level of fit, finish and functionality - rather than mass-produced.
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    I find it kind of sad that some of you would consider a non-sponsored rider with XTR or DA a "wannabe" or unknowledgeable. Sometimes good deals can arise making it worthwhile for the rider. My old GT was full XTR because I bought the components for a good price (at the time they were the same price as XT). My track bike is DA and Campy Record... does that make me a "wannabe"?
    Also, since I come from the modified car world (BMWs), why is it so looked down upon to want/have the best parts? I just don't understand why there is so much hostility and so many judgements passed on this board. Beware - some of these "wannabes" might just whoop your ass on the trail
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    Quote Originally Posted by robncircus
    I find it kind of sad that some of you would consider a non-sponsored rider with XTR or DA a "wannabe" or unknowledgeable.
    Amen, bro.

    I work hard for my money. I don't piss it away frivilously. I do my research. I hang with other good riders. I learn from my experiences - and those of others I trust. I have the option to spend my money where I desire. Therefore, there must be some value of XTR (to me) or it wouldn't be on any of my rigs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shane45
    I don't buy that reasoning. We'd all be driving Yugo's if that were the case. I don't need to be a racer to appreciate and desire a Ferrari..
    No, but you need to be a racer to need a ferrari. My argument was who needs DA/XTR
    Quote Originally Posted by shane45
    There is also something called "pride of ownership" and the knowledge that certain components are hand assembled and tuned to a better level of fit, finish and functionality - rather than mass-produced.
    Ok, I granted before that they are shinier (your finish comment above) . How is it more functional?

    How does XTR 'fit' better than XT?
    XTR/DA is not mass produced?
    We are not talking about a custom frame here, just components.

    I am not saying that having XTR make you a poser or some other thing. that is as ******** as someone putting down someone who has deore on their bike. I just don't see the added benefit outweighing the costs.

    Quote Originally Posted by shane45
    I have the option to spend my money where I desire. Therefore, there must be some value of XTR (to me) or it wouldn't be on any of my rigs.
    What is that value? I guess that would be my question.

    Making sure others are aware of your ultimate financial commitment to your bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unsuspended
    I just don't see the added benefit outweighing the costs.
    Right - but I do. That's really all that matters.
    Again, smart shopping will get you XTR components below XT cost, in some cases.




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    Quote Originally Posted by shane45
    Right - but I do.
    but what is it? It might be valuable to the OP.
    Quote Originally Posted by shane45
    Again, smart shopping will get you XTR components below XT cost, in some cases.
    What , smart shopping only applies to XTR components?

    Just as many, or more, deals for XT components exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unsuspended
    No, but you need to be a racer to need a ferrari. My argument was who needs DA/XTR
    Who needs XT? LX will get the same job done won't it? XT may get the job done a bit more smoothly, but LX will still get the same exact job (shifting gears) done. Let's not get caught up in need arguments here. None of us need to bike at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by unsuspended
    Making sure others are aware of your ultimate financial commitment to your bike?
    Go ride your XT. Why would you care about how much money someone spends on their bike? I'm still running Deore crap. I don't care it someone bucks up significantly more cash for a slight improvement in function. That person's value judgement is different than yours. Who cares? BTW, I can afford XT, but for my skill level, it doesn't make sense yet. When it does, I'll buck up.

    Who knows, someone running XTR might deem it's added value above XT great enough to forego Budweiser so they can afford it. Just because you don't think it's worth it doesn't mean it isn't to someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis Elwood
    Who needs XT? LX will get the same job done won't it? XT may get the job done a bit more smoothly, but LX will still get the same exact job (shifting gears) done. Let's not get caught up in need arguments here. None of us need to bike at all.
    OK to summarize;

    Upgrade from LX to XT what do you get ? Stronger, More durable, Lighter

    Upgrade from XT to XTR what do you get? Lighter and shinier, some would argue less durable (I won't).

    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis Elwood
    Go ride your XT. Why would you care about how much money someone spends on their bike?
    I wish I could go ride my XT It has been raining for 6 days straight so I can't. the trails are under water.

    I don't care how much people spend on their bikes. I just wonder why it is so hard for people to admit that XTR is just bike jewelry. Spend all you want. Just don't tell me that XTR is 'worth it' for some functional reason.
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