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Old 10-18-05, 06:31 PM   #1
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As of yesterday, I will no longer talk down about Trek.

I still don't like them, but arguing isn't worth it.
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ok, now you have to apologize to all the people you dissed because they like trek.

anyone whatch seinfeld, the sweater.
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Won't go that far.
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HAHA! yes, score! No offense kona, I know I was an ******* in that other thread. But you hurt my bikes feelings.
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Kona whats your take on the Bruiser3?
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HAHA! yes, score! No offense kona, I know I was an a55hole in that other thread. But you hurt my bikes feelings.
Not taking offense.
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Say Kona, if you don't mind, could you explain what's up with your new avatar? Are you holding a lizard, or do my eyes deceive me?
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Kona whats your take on the Bruiser3?

Don't really understand the whole FS DJ bikes. Could be a decent bike with a shock upgrade.
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Since he's not talkin down on trek, can I take that throne? Trek does suck..period.
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I'm holding a baby snapping turtle that is saved from getting run over yesterday in the pic.
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I'm holding a baby snapping turtle that is saved from getting run over yesterday in the pic.
Good job on saving the little turtle.

However i was a little pi$$ed at your attitude in that thread the other day, i dont think your response to the guy wasnt all that kind, he just wanted a simple answer, and you just gave a stupid remark in return which started a pretty stupid arguement, and when people started expressing their own opinions (just as you did) you closed the thread.

Pretty bad attitute, especially for a mod.

But ill forgive you for saving the wee turtle.. turtles rule...
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Good job on saving the little turtle.

However i was a little pi$$ed at your attitude in that thread the other day, i dont think your response to the guy wasnt all that kind, he just wanted a simple answer, and you just gave a stupid remark in return which started a pretty stupid arguement, and when people started expressing their own opinions (just as you did) you closed the thread.

Pretty bad attitute, especially for a mod.

But ill forgive you for saving the wee turtle.. turtles rule...
He gave a sarcastic response which I full endorse. I don't the post had any attitude what so ever, we know he has raced and we know he has worked in a bike shop for many many many years, so his opinion is a very high degree, reguardless of if he is a mod or not. If he has some serious thoughts about why trek sucks, which he does, he should be able to voice them, which he did, and back them up to some degree, which he did again. Yes other people responded but no one seemed to get out of hand except the FEW trek owners on the board who don't know any better and defended their brand. He closed the thread because he felt it was nessecary before it got out of hand, which it didn't but could have.
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He gave a sarcastic response which I full endorse. I don't the post had any attitude what so ever, we know he has raced and we know he has worked in a bike shop for many many many years, so his opinion is a very high degree, reguardless of if he is a mod or not. If he has some serious thoughts about why trek sucks, which he does, he should be able to voice them, which he did, and back them up to some degree, which he did again. Yes other people responded but no one seemed to get out of hand except the FEW trek owners on the board who don't know any better and defended their brand. He closed the thread because he felt it was nessecary before it got out of hand, which it didn't but could have.
You endorse his thoughts? great, no one cares [deleted by mods]. The whole point of this is that everyone respects other peoples bike brands. Some people like trek, so why do people have to be so immature as to go around knocking them in a very childish way. If you want to knock trek, do it with some proof or experience to back up that claim. Otherwise you look like a little kid trying to start a fight.

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It's all personal prefrence anyway. My bikes better than yours crap is childish. I own a Trek and will not diss any other bike out there besides wally world bikes.

It's all about the frame geometry anyway. Yeah my Trek is a low end 4300 but in a year from now it'll have top of the line parts on it that make it better than any low end Kona, Ironhorse, specialized, etc, etc, etc, but You won't here me call any of them junk. The frame is the foundation of a bike not all the add on's. Most people judge a bike by what it has on it from the show room floor and say, well all Trek hardtails are junk because they don't have Fox forks, XT components, Easton bars, BB7 brakes. But when I show up on the trail with mine and it has all the above I bet their attitude and opinion changes..

I beat the hell out of my Trek 4 times a week, broke a chain, popped a few tires and feel it is a solid bike. Preventetive maintance helps a lot also...
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we know he has raced and we know he has worked in a bike shop for many many many years
How exactly do we know that?
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Let me state I like both Treks and Konas, but to imply there's some huge gap between them is pretty silly.

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To review, Kona makes an effort each year to improve their bikes even if the change is very small and Trek only changes paint color from year to year, and drop lines that are successful to ones that will likely tank big time.
Or, you could say that Kona makes useless changes in cynical effort to drive sales and render nearly new bikes obselete while Trek doesn't try and waste my money just because of some date on the calendar.

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Has a person ever won a UCI world championship once on a Trek downhill bike, nope.
Fair enough. Has anyone ever won 5 world championships and 2 national championships in 24 hour endurance racing on a Kona? Nope. That would be Chris Eatough. Roland Green's had a bit of success as well, unless 2 UCI cross country world championships and a NORBA national title doesn't fit the bill. My point: Cherry picking race results hardly proves the superiority of one brand over the other. So Kona has more experience with big-hit rigs. Cool, then buy a Kona if that's the kind of riding you do.

I've ridden off-road for over 15 years, and I've had a lot of bikes. My Fuel is as good as any I've ridden. The punch line here of course is that for my next ride I want a true 4-bar linkage, and neither Trek nor Kona will fit the bill.

I just think the whole argument is pretty silly. I'm glad it appears you agree (at least on the argument end)
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<i>He gave a sarcastic response which I full endorse.</i>

No offense, but he gave an authoritative response working on the assumption that he was the only one in the room qualified to make a qualified opinion.

<i>we know he has raced and we know he has worked in a bike shop for many many many years</i>

And so what? I purchased my Trek from a friendís shop, who races, who's worked at a LBS for over a decade. Marginal experience is not definitive. I took this into account when taking my friend's advice regarding Trek.

<i>If he has some serious thoughts about why trek sucks, which he does, he should be able to voice them.</i>

It would be nice to hear these critiques in an articulate manner. "Trek sucks" and "their welds are shoddy" are vague and anecdotal.

Now, I'm not a Trek ***** (I've owned a specialized and a GT), though I am amazed that I was able to buy a FS with an XT/LX drive, Splice comp fork, rebound adjustable rear and hydraulic discs for under $1200. Specialized, Cannondale, Santa Cruz, and yes, KONA failed miserably in this department.

If there were even the slightest evidence of consensus regarding Treks supposed shoddy quality, then Trek's detractors would have ground to stand on. But look at the reviews both online and in the MTB print media. Trek is always rated well above average. It is the consensus that Trek makes a quality frame. If you disagree, then fine. But you are in the minority.

Trek rarely upgrades the Fuel geometry. Which is a godsend if you plan to ride your bike for many years. It means the design was right the first time. They own Bontrager, so quality over cost is high for these "in house" components. My frame was welded in America, KONAs, and now even Santa Cruz's are not (though, I'm saying that this is a quality issue).

I strongly encourage someone to critique a bicycles companiesí frame design, component quality and selection, and even their business practices. This is information. I have yet to see this quality of banter regarding Trek. In its place is the tired "donít drink the Starbucks" mentality, which offers no insight whatsoever

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i wanted the bruiser 3, but i could only find the 2nd
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<i>He gave a sarcastic response which I full endorse.</i>

No offense, but he gave an authoritative response working on the assumption that he was the only one in the room qualified to make a qualified opinion.

<i>we know he has raced and we know he has worked in a bike shop for many many many years</i>

And so what? I purchased my Trek from a friendís shop, who races, who's worked at a LBS for over a decade. Marginal experience is not definitive. I took this into account when taking my friend's advice regarding Trek.

<i>If he has some serious thoughts about why trek sucks, which he does, he should be able to voice them.</i>

It would be nice to hear these critiques in an articulate manner. "Trek sucks" and "their welds are shoddy" are vague and anecdotal.

Now, I'm not a Trek ***** (I've owned a specialized and a GT), though I am amazed that I was able to buy a FS with an XT/LX drive, Splice comp fork, rebound adjustable rear and hydraulic discs for under $1200. Specialized, Cannondale, Santa Cruz, and yes, KONA failed miserably in this department.

If there were even the slightest evidence of consensus regarding Treks supposed shoddy quality, then Trek's detractors would have ground to stand on. But look at the reviews both online and in the MTB print media. Trek is always rated well above average. It is the consensus that Trek makes a quality frame. If you disagree, then fine. But you are in the minority.

Trek rarely upgrades the Fuel geometry. Which is a godsend if you plan to ride your bike for many years. It means the design was right the first time. They own Bontrager, so quality over cost is high for these "in house" components. My frame was welded in America, KONAs, and now even Santa Cruz's are not (though, I'm saying that this is a quality issue).

I strongly encourage someone to critique a bicycles companiesí frame design, component quality and selection, and even their business practices. This is information. I have yet to see this quality of banter regarding Trek. In its place is the tired "donít drink the Starbucks" mentality, which offers no insight whatsoever
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My frame was welded in America, KONAs, and now even Santa Cruz's are not (though, I'm saying that this is a quality issue).
I have to dissagree, my friends Trek Bruiser 2 had a made in China sticker on the frame. My Kona says made in Canada on the frame.

I also don't like Treks XC bikes: frames are ok, some of the parts aren't great for the price. But I do like their Bruiser 2 and Session bikes. The Bruiser 3, to me, just seems like crap for the price (RST and manitou).
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don't drink Starbucks. Tastes like toilet water, and even then they water down the flavour. Over here in Aus, there's plenty of coffee around that tastes miles better.

what're we talking 'bout again?
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I have 10 bikes and love them all. I think some people on here are worried more about the name on the frame and not the rider's skill. I mean if you just started riding a SS how much can you really know?
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I have to dissagree, my friends Trek Bruiser 2 had a made in China sticker on the frame. My Kona says made in Canada on the frame.

I also don't like Treks XC bikes: frames are ok, some of the parts aren't great for the price. But I do like their Bruiser 2 and Session bikes. The Bruiser 3, to me, just seems like crap for the price (RST and manitou).
Did he say that all trek bikes are made in the us? only the good high quality ones are. The cheap bottom of the line are made in china lol.
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thats why I got a Devinci. who has ever heard of them that is NOT from Canada? I dont personally like Trek because I believe its a bit overpriced for what you get. I also have to disagree on the made in America" part all the ones I see in a shop near me say "made in China". maybe certain models are still made here, I dunno. if you like Trek then its the best bike in the world. as long as no one tells me I HAVE to ride a certain brand to fit in we will get along nicely. the bike that leads is the best bike, or does the rider have something to do with it? I dont know about anywhere else but the shops here have to sell a certain # of them or they cant order more, which kind of limits what they can carry. I think thats my only real gripe with Trek, their business practices toward their loyal shops.
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as a matter of fact yes. not all devinci's are made in canada. some are taiwan (same with RMB)
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