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Old 10-18-05, 08:42 PM   #1
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Do you like or dislike double - shifters?

By Shimano. They are kind of road bikey in theory, but I have never mountain biked yet.

Do you experienced mtbikers
like them or do you prefer the standard finger/thumb shifters?
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I think you will find it depends on the type of rider. Generally xc guys dont mind or even love it. Freeride and dh guys almost all hate it.

An interesting observation is the rare sponsored rider going completely against the company. The entire freeride team for saint (which was originally all flippy shifters) would not ride the flippy shifter. Thats a rare situation in the drive train world

My personal opinion is negative.
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whilst im critical of the replacement costs, i like them. i test rode 2 bikes back to back last weekend, one with SRAM x9 and one with XT dual control and i jus thought the dual control suited me better. ill be getting them on my new cannondale rush....

As Mael suggested, i am an XC rider, so thats probably why i like them. i know plenty of people that love either of them.
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Totally personal preference, but I love mine. That said, I also love my 8spd SunTour thumbshifters. Mmmmmm... Thumbies...
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By Shimano. They are kind of road bikey in theory, but I have never mountain biked yet.

Do you experienced mtbikers
like them or do you prefer the standard finger/thumb shifters?
Do a search on "Flippy levers"
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My old XC bike ('97 Mongoose Alta) has grip shifters, my downhill bike ('03 Iron Horse SGS) has trigger shifters, and my brand new FS XC bike ('05 Rocky Mountain Slayer 50) has these new Shimano dualies. So far I really like the dualies, but don't see any advantage vs. triggers, and I'm worried about replacement cost if (or rather when) I smash the housing. But it's cool that they've included a thumb lever so you can shift either with the brake lever or thumb lever in either direction. And they've incorporated the multi-ring shift feature (i.e. short click shifts one ring, holding shifts across several rings) that you get with triggers.
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Old 10-19-05, 10:33 PM   #7
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i saw a pair in the shop today on a scott scale. they looked really clean and felt pretty nifty. they shifter quickly and cleanly. although iv never ridden them so i dont know how they perform.
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Old 10-19-05, 11:55 PM   #9
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I think its just personal preference. But I am biased against them on the principle of integrating the brakes and shifters. I prefer a more modular approach, if the brake lever housing or shifter pod is broken, that's all I need to replace. Isolates damage too. For hydro disc brakes, it prevents you from using other manufacture's brakes. But being able to have an integrated shift/brake system that would accommodate other manufacture's brakes would be difficult. Of course, the cynic in me says this could be a Shimano ploy to get you to use their disc brakes.

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Old 10-20-05, 01:50 PM   #11
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well they do have mechanical ones that will work on anything of course.
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well they do have mechanical ones that will work on anything of course.
They don't make a flippy shifter mechanical.
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Old 10-20-05, 02:47 PM   #13
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They don't make a flippy shifter mechanical.
Sure they do! ST-M961
Apparently if you're a 'core racer, you don't run hydraulics.
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Old 10-20-05, 02:53 PM   #14
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They don't make a flippy shifter mechanical.

sure about that?

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lawlz pinkrobe totally beat you to it.


I don't like them. They seemed kind of awkward when I rode them/touched them/tasted them.
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They don't make a flippy shifter mechanical.

Forgot about V-brakes did you?
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I wouldn't get them again. They do shift nicely, but i'd imagine all the new off road components work just as well. My bike came with hayes mechanical disks, so you don't need to run shimano brakes with them. My problem with them is when braking on rough/bumpy terrain, or just covering the brakes and hitting an unexpected bump, I find myself accidently shifting gears. Replacement costs I'm guessing is pretty high too.
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Sweet shimano pushing the garbage onto mechs..yehaw.

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Nope, not at all, just didn't think they would bother making sti's for mechs.
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You have to admit, compared to SRAM, the new Shimano stuff is huge and ugly. Does it also contain a fishing reel? In my book, your brake levers and shifters are separate, and if you do have a crash, the levers cop it, not the shifters.
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I just upgraded to Juicy 7 brakes and had to replace my shifters too, one good reason to stay away from teh doubles. I also worry about moving the lever wrong on those new Shimano combos. Guess you save some weight there and that;s the advantage?
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in other news, shimano is offering dualies in the '06 deore lineup. (06 deore = 03 XTR)
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Holy ****! That's in Hungary! I remember when all those pipes broke and people drove into massive potholes full of water... it was pretty funny, although I DID feel sad for them.

As for flippy levers, I don't really like them, would much rather stick to trigger shifters.
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yeah i was riding my peugot road bike the other day and i hate those flippy levers, they arent as smooth as i would like them to be and not as definate on the shifts i think
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Holy ****! That's in Hungary! I remember when all those pipes broke and people drove into massive potholes full of water... it was pretty funny, although I DID feel sad for them.

As for flippy levers, I don't really like them, would much rather stick to trigger shifters.

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well the 06 deore model shouldn't be too expensive, i think it'd be worth a try.

personally, i find that they're they coolest thing in the world.

besides the fact that they're shimano. (though i ride purely shimano... it's sad, isn't it?)

and besides the fact that they're expensive.
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