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Old 10-22-05, 12:28 AM   #1
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beggining rider help with bike choice

i am looking to get into the sport of mountain bikeing. nothing too extreme just yet, but fun none the less, anyways i need a bike anyways so i figured nows my time to get into the sport, ive looked at two bikes and from what ive gathered i can get a really good deal on either, i plan to jump some nothing too huge MAYBE 20 feet if im balsy enought, and i plan to do some downhill trails. i have two or may be more options. one is a HARO like this heres the haro its a hard tail and its more in my target price range at 280 any goods and bads about this beaut, and the other is a K@ attack without disc brakes, its full suspension, and has nice suspension components like rok shox judys and whatnot, its also a hair out of my price range at 349 which is a good deal non the less but still money, sorry for the long post and thanks in advance. o yeah is a hard tail really that bad to ride. i mean ive ridden fs and ns bikes but never one with just front shocks, are they rought riding when going over roots and stuff thanks
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Old 10-22-05, 12:46 AM   #2
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Maybe I'm just too much of a XC guy, but a twenty foot jump/drop sure seems like a lot to me .

The Haro you picked out is mostly made up of entry level components. Most of the parts are not off brand at least, but nothing to be excited about. It definately would not be able to take the kind of riding you're aspiring to. It's not awful for the price, but you'd be getting what you paid for and nothing more.

Another, similar, entry level bike is the Specialized Hardrock. No, it isn't going to do twenty foot drops (for long) either (unless you're really, really good). But, it's an entry level favorite. Not that I have anything against Haro . Even a little bit more money means a big difference on the entry level.

If you buy one of those bikes, you may just want to start out easy on them and train yourself. Once you're getting more confident and have saved up more money for whatever style bike you're leaning toward, buy what you can afford (stretch as much as you can, it's cheaper in the long run; but only once you know what you want) and upgrade it as time passes.
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Old 10-22-05, 12:51 AM   #3
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my bad im used to the motor sports world. i realize now that 20 feet is huge on a mountain bike and that i am a very begginer on this sport, and dont want to do anything too big,. MAYBE a 4 foot drop tops for now and maybe 10 feet of horizontal air, i also ride around the roads by my house too whats the better bike for me thanks again
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Starting with a hardtail is the only way to go in my opinion. They're cheaper (in other words, better at a similar price point) and harder on the rider (which makes you learn faster, hopefully). But, there's many types to choose from.

The styles you might be interested in:

For full time downhill (DH) use, most riders choose full suspension bikes (that generally weight a ton and are heavy duty). Long and soft suspension travel and geometry that's meant to be pointed downward (the bike looks tall in the front when sitting level) are the big characteristics.

Dirt jumping (DJ) bikes are generally pretty small and most often hardtails (though not always) as they don't tend to "eat" the edge of the jump like a suspension frame may. Front suspension is normally (configured to be) pretty hard on a dirt jumping bike so that it only helps you as much as you need to on landing but, as I was saying, still not eat the edge of jumps. The frames are normally pretty tough but don't always need to weight a ton.

If you're planning on doing a combination of jumps and downhilling, look into a freeride (FR) style bike. They generally have relaxed geometry giving the rider the ability to position yourself however you like on the bike. They come in both hardtail and full suspension. And, for better or for worse, they're mostly just as bad in pure rider pedalling efficiency as DH and DJ bikes.

Then there are cross-county (XC), all mountain (AM), and other various little (or big, as they may be) niches of mountain biking...
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Old 10-22-05, 04:58 AM   #5
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I'm a fan of Haro bikes, but the one you linked to won't take very many 4 foot drops. You'd quickly find the limit of that RST fork, the wheels, and possibly the frame. Either stick to bumpy trails, or double your budget and go for something like a Giant STP.
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look for a rockhopper a few upgrades and she should take those drops like a pro and look sexy doing it. I personally like the old frame style without the huge variation on tubing width but its up to you. You could get a nice used one on Ebay and then fix what you need to
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20' jumps are not all that big if you are talking distance. It is the 20' drops that will kill your bike.

As the others have said, try and save some more and look at better bikes. The ones you are looking at are entry level and if you come from an MX background you will out grow them very quickly.

I would say do not look at ht (hard tails) under 650 AUD (500USD) and no fs (full suspensions) less then 2000AUD (1500 USD). If you think you will be getting into very aggressive riding then you could talk to the guys at DH Direct. They are in Australia but I forgot where. From the experiences I have had with them they are very knowledgeable and helpful.

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some of you must be confused with my screen name. i'm an aussie all right but i now live in america. also, what does every one think aboue the K2 attack, it seems like a great bike, and ive been riding this crappy FS wal mart special so it realy looks like a nice bike. but i think that i might just go with the haro, becuase its more in my price range and i can get used to the mountain biking groove and see if i really like doing it. can anyone on here say iom going to make a horrible mistake by doing so, i figure if i dont like the performance of the haro i can always just sell it and save up for a better bike, i also used to ride BMX before i went to atv's and dirt bikes
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If you just want a bike to find out if you will like the sport then you wont be making a horrible mistake but I would say try and buy a used bike at that price. There are many deals out there and you will be able to get a better bike. If you end up liking the sport then you will have a better bike to grow on.

As far as the K2, it is not worth the money. The Haro will do a better job.

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If you're not too tall, see if Pricepoint still has the KHS Witchdoctor. Or Check Wheelworld.com for a Kona Stinky on sale.
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hard tail all the way. I started out on a trek 4500. Wait for sales and pick up something with Deore or SRAm X7 for 300-400. Full supension is nice, but any FS bike for less than a grand is gonna be heavy or give a bad ride. Hard tails make you use your legs as suspension. In terms of XC, there isn't anything you can do on a FS that you can't on a hard. But make sure to take a step or two up from the absolute cheapest.
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well i found another bike just out of my price range but i stretched some pennys and got a specialized hardrock sport. it fits what i want perfect and after spending 3 hours of mostly up hill riding on her i think is awsome, and after a 2 foot drop on to cement i was thorougly pleased with its performance and with jumping. thanls for the help guys
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