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Old 11-26-05, 11:33 PM   #1
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sram components

Would someone be kind enough to give me a list of sram components from good to worse .

Shimano Components
Best XTR
Deore XT
Deore LX
Better Deore
Alivio
Good Acera
Altus
C-Series
T-Series

Maybe something like that except for s-ram
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Also could you tell me if they are good or bad
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1:1 ratio: 3.0 (entry level), SX4, SX5, X.7, X.9, X.0 (top of the line).
2:1 ratio (Shimano compatible): Centera (entry level), TRX, MRX, Attack, Rocket (guess).

Good or bad is a matter of opinion and it's a bit of a sensitive matter apparently. Give some of those threads a read for a comprehensive collective opinion.

Edit: All better, thanks never.

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what do you mean by (guess)
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1:1 ratio: 3.0 (entry level), SX4, SX5, X.9, X.0 (top of the line).
2:1 ratio (Shimano compatible): Centera (entry level), TRX, MRX, Attack, Rocket (guess).
You forgot X.7 between SX5 and X.9

Basically for comparison to Shimano:

XTR = X.0
XT = X.9
LX - X.7
Deore = SX5
Alivio = SX4
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You forgot X.7 between SX5 and X.9

Basically for comparison to Shimano:

XTR = X.0
XT = X.9
LX - X.7
Deore = SX5
Alivio = SX4
I dont really think that that is true. Just look at a picture of the X.0 components. And then compare to XTR. X,0 is on a level by itself. i think it goes something more like this. For the top ones at least.
X.0
XTR
X.9=XT (but even these are a little different)
x.7=LX

etc. I dont list the others because i wouldn't get anything lower than LX or X.7

BTW, I have nothing against Shimano or XTR. I use XTR myself. I just think that the construction and preformance of SRAM's X.0 components is on a level above all else.


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X.0 is actually considered by most to be above the level of XTR, similar to Record being a step above Dura-Ace. X-9 is actually more on-par with XTR in terms of construction and performance.
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Would someone be kind enough to give me a list of sram components from good to worse .

Shimano Components
Best XTR
Deore XT
Deore LX
Better Deore
Alivio
Good Acera
Altus
C-Series
T-Series

Maybe something like that except for s-ram

go check out the site

http://www.sram.com/en/sram/mountain...ents/index.php
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X.0 is actually considered by most to be above the level of XTR, similar to Record being a step above Dura-Ace. X-9 is actually more on-par with XTR in terms of construction and performance.
and I would say the X-7 is on the same level as XT, not LX. I have both X-7 and XT derrailleurs on my bikes and the X-7 is by far the best performer. Blows away the performance of the LX on my buddy's brand new Gary Fisher.
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I'm riding almost exclusively SRAM componentry now. In my opinion Shimano's quality has gone way downhill, but their price is as high as ever.
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I'm riding almost exclusively SRAM componentry now. In my opinion Shimano's quality has gone way downhill, but their price is as high as ever.
I haven't run Shimano's newest MTB stuff long enough to know about their quality. What I do know from the extended demo rides I have taken is that their shifter DESIGNS have gone downhill. The old trigger design was ergonomic pefection. This new stuff is just a pain is the butt.

I cannot be more annoyed at their constant forced obsolecence. It has forced me down the SRAM path for my shifters.

Both the X7s and the X9s run great for me with extended abuse in wet weather.

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1:1 ratio: 3.0 (entry level), SX4, SX5, X.7, X.9, X.0 (top of the line).
2:1 ratio (Shimano compatible): Centera (entry level), TRX, MRX, Attack, Rocket (guess).

Good or bad is a matter of opinion and it's a bit of a sensitive matter apparently. Give some of those threads a read for a comprehensive collective opinion.

Edit: All better, thanks never.
Don't forget the brakes. One thing SRAM has not done is labeled things consistently across their acquisitions. They really need to correct this in the future by putting EVERYTHING in the X numbering series.

X.0 - Juicy Carbon - SD Ultimate - Stylo Carbon/Holzfeller
X.9 - Juicy 7, BB7 - SD 7 - Stylo/Husselfelt
X.7 - Juicy 5 - SD 5 - Ruktion/Firex
SX5 - BB5 - Blaze
SX4 -

That's the best I can make out. I think that Truvativ and Avid have lower end products that aren't on the website that would be speced out to OEMs (along with SX5 and SX4).

BTW whoever thought of the SX moniker for SRAMs new low level OEM stuff wasn't thinking. I see that and think, SuX4, SuX5.

Hopefully in the future SRAM will enforce a common group naming across it's divisions. They also need a pedal aqcuisition (Crank Brothers or Time) and hub acquisition (Hugi or Swiss) to compete head on with Shimano in EVER category.

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I will use either/or no preference over one or the other.....

Shimano advantage: It can rotate up,down

SRAM cannot do this, this is for noise reduction, however this then means that any slight hit on a SRAM = BOOM, shimano's can take quite a hit an still work.

I personally use Shimano, if I had the money and for some reason my whole drivetrain blew up and EVERYTHING needed replacement I have no idea where Iwould go. I ahve had ride time on X.9, XTR and X.0
XTR is above X.9, and X.0 and XTR are on par, good in some places, bad in others.

One thing Shimano have oging for them, their top line components dont cost anywhere near as much as SRAM's X.0. anything below X.7 is dodgy as all hell and SRAM costs more downunder than shimano
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Thankyou for proving my point Raiyn see how the shimano moves up and down, this causes noise but is also showing that the shimano has the ability to DO that, SRAM cannot...... this causes for a very rigid body to be hit by an object when a rock makes contact, slight hit = SRAM X.Plode The Shimano can deflect a hit, don't think it would make a difference, Isee way more smashed SRAM derailleurs and more people down here run Shimano.
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Thankyou for proving my point Raiyn see how the shimano moves up and down, this causes noise but is also showing that the shimano has the ability to DO that, SRAM cannot...... this causes for a very rigid body to be hit by an object when a rock makes contact, slight hit = SRAM X.Plode The Shimano can deflect a hit, don't think it would make a difference, Isee way more smashed SRAM derailleurs and more people down here run Shimano.

. . . and here's what happens: http://blink1.www4.50megs.com/BrokenECdM.htm

We never felt a thing hit the bike . . .
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I will use either/or no preference over one or the other.....

Shimano advantage: It can rotate up,down

SRAM cannot do this, this is for noise reduction, however this then means that any slight hit on a SRAM = BOOM, shimano's can take quite a hit an still work.

I personally use Shimano, if I had the money and for some reason my whole drivetrain blew up and EVERYTHING needed replacement I have no idea where Iwould go. I ahve had ride time on X.9, XTR and X.0
XTR is above X.9, and X.0 and XTR are on par, good in some places, bad in others.

One thing Shimano have oging for them, their top line components dont cost anywhere near as much as SRAM's X.0. anything below X.7 is dodgy as all hell and SRAM costs more downunder than shimano

Since when can't my SRAM rotate up and down?


Regardless, XO isn't meant to compete with XTR anyway. It's a step above XTR if anything.
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I mean up and down only without the slight side movement. That is how SRAM derailleurs move, diagonally however they can't move up and down without the side movement. This torques the hell out of it in a collision and shatters.
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I mean up and down only without the slight side movement. That is how SRAM derailleurs move, diagonally however they can't move up and down without the side movement. This torques the hell out of it in a collision and shatters.
cincinnatibuck, I've never seen a SRAM deraileur break that way. I think Jim311 mentioned a break of a similar situation in a previous thread. In my previous experience my SRAM RD's always snap at the pivot elbow. I can't really tell what happend from the pictures but it looks like something got caught in your spokes, wrapped around , dented your seatstay and it took the RD along for the ride. The path of travel was lateral (front to back) so the deraileur hanger didn't break. I'm not sure if any deraileur would survive something like this unless it was able sidestep/deflect the load or debries. I don;t know that a Shimano could've done that in this situation. This situation say's alot for internal hub gearing like Rohloff Speedhub.

I agree with Hopper on the restricted movement of SRAM. The video shows exactly what I meant when I posted the below statements in a previous thread...

"I've broken 2 SRAM 9.0 and a 7.0 derailers in the past and it has always happened around the knuckle/pivot. I figure that the plastic/composite cracked at this point because when a SRAM derailer moves back and forth, it doesn't move freely like a Shimano. When a Shimano takes an impact, even a small one at that, it is free to swing back and forth to sidestep/dissapate the energy. SRAM derailers do not do this as easily as it remains much more rigid and it ends up absorbing much more of the impact. To further compound to the situation, the smaller pivot pin creates more of point load on the deraileur knuckle. So if the pin doesn't snap, the deraileur body will crack. Also, SRAM derailers slam to a stop when it gets parallel with the ground. Test this by grabbing your deraileur, rock it backwards and let it go. This deraileur is taking forces like this constantly as you ride. These are the weak points in its design. I have a few riding buddies that are breaking thier X0 stuff in exactly the same place as my old 9.0 and 7.0 because the design in this aspect is still the same."

OK. now, before the SRAM militants charge in to defend thier beloved SRAM... ahem your preceptions may differ and that is cool because everyone is entitled to an opinion. As I've said before, "Some folks get so defensive when someone says anything but praise for the equipment they own/use. Lets get this striaght, I'm not "dissing" SRAM. I think that they make some nice stuff. This old Cat is just sharing his past experiences with SRAM."

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Nothing militant here, just personal experience: SRAMs stuff is about 1000% better on a strict performance level. I can't attest to the durability because I've never had a problem with it but, I've literally never felt anything like the crispness associated with my X.0 Blackbox rear derailleur.
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I believe that crispness/feel in shifting is dictated mostly by the shifters, not the deraileur. Although, come to think about it, a stronger spring in a deraileur could provide a faster shift and a "crisper" feel.

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X.7 stuff shifts as well or better than my XTR. I know there's no sense comparing strength to weight ratio between these two, but as for flawless shifting there is no equal to SRAM. JMO
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I believe that crispness/feel in shifting is dictated mostly by the shifters, not the deraileur. Although, come to think about it, a stronger spring in a deraileur could provide a faster shift and a "crisper" feel.

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That may be partially true however, beyond the "feel" there's also the fact that the derailleur actually shifts into the gear I want it to shift into when I press one of the levers; something my XTR derailleurs almost never did with any kind of regularity.

The only reason anyone can argue the merits of XTR vs. X.0 is likely because they've never used both...period. It's kind of like comparing a Hyundai to a BMW; they're simply not comparable other than to say they both have wheels and engines!
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That may be partially true however, beyond the "feel" there's also the fact that the derailleur actually shifts into the gear I want it to shift into when I press one of the levers; something my XTR derailleurs almost never did with any kind of regularity.

The only reason anyone can argue the merits of XTR vs. X.0 is likely because they've never used both...period. It's kind of like comparing a Hyundai to a BMW; they're simply not comparable other than to say they both have wheels and engines!

I've ridden both. Broken both.
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cincinnatibuck, I've never seen a SRAM deraileur break that way. I think Jim311 mentioned a break of a similar situation in a previous thread. In my previous experience my SRAM RD's always snap at the pivot elbow. I can't really tell what happend from the pictures but it looks like something got caught in your spokes, wrapped around , dented your seatstay and it took the RD along for the ride. The path of travel was lateral (front to back) so the deraileur hanger didn't break. I'm not sure if any deraileur would survive something like this unless it was able sidestep/deflect the load or debries. I don;t know that a Shimano could've done that in this situation. This situation say's alot for internal hub gearing like Rohloff Speedhub.
That guy's breakage didn't have anything to do with whether it was Shimano or SRAM. Neither derailler is designed to rotate 360 degrees around the hanger.

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I agree with Hopper on the restricted movement of SRAM. The video shows exactly what I meant when I posted the below statements in a previous thread...
I think the fact that it's so much more rigid and doesn't bounce around while riding is why it shifts more crisply and cleaner. The range of motion is pretty minimal with the Shimano anyway.. not enough to absorb any major impact.

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"I've broken 2 SRAM 9.0 and a 7.0 derailers in the past and it has always happened around the knuckle/pivot. I figure that the plastic/composite cracked at this point because when a SRAM derailer moves back and forth, it doesn't move freely like a Shimano. When a Shimano takes an impact, even a small one at that, it is free to swing back and forth to sidestep/dissapate the energy. SRAM derailers do not do this as easily as it remains much more rigid and it ends up absorbing much more of the impact. To further compound to the situation, the smaller pivot pin creates more of point load on the deraileur knuckle. So if the pin doesn't snap, the deraileur body will crack. Also, SRAM derailers slam to a stop when it gets parallel with the ground. Test this by grabbing your deraileur, rock it backwards and let it go. This deraileur is taking forces like this constantly as you ride. These are the weak points in its design. I have a few riding buddies that are breaking thier X0 stuff in exactly the same place as my old 9.0 and 7.0 because the design in this aspect is still the same."

OK. now, before the SRAM militants charge in to defend thier beloved SRAM... ahem your preceptions may differ and that is cool because everyone is entitled to an opinion. As I've said before, "Some folks get so defensive when someone says anything but praise for the equipment they own/use. Lets get this striaght, I'm not "dissing" SRAM. I think that they make some nice stuff. This old Cat is just sharing his past experiences with SRAM."
Which SRAM stuff have you run? Is it the same stuff they're producing today, or old crappy stuff from yesteryear? Just because people have different opinions doesn't mean they're defensive.
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