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Old 11-30-05, 06:22 PM   #1
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Kona "Hoss" vs. Kona "Hoss Deluxe"

I will probably be putting a down payment on one of these bikes soon, I was just wondering how much worse off I would be componentry wise going with just the "hoss" over the "hoss deluxe" seeing as how they seem to share the same exact frame besides color. I believe the price difference is $899 (hoss) and $1150 (deluxe). I don't really know too much about the available components on each bike but I do know I like the smoke gray color scheme for the deluxe, but I'm not spending the extra doh on color choice alone. Any help or feedback would be great thanx.

I've provided these shortcuts to some specs of each bike for your reviewing:

Hoss:

http://www.konaworld.com/shopping_ca...0&parentid=253

Hoss Deluxe:

http://www.konaworld.com/shopping_ca...9&parentid=253

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Old 11-30-05, 06:42 PM   #2
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I just went through the same choice. I chose the deluxe.

1: Fork is oil/coil/air instead of coil/mcu
2: Hydro brakes instead of cable (they may both be hydro where you are)
3: Better BB and crankset
4: XT RD not Deore
5: Better rims
6: I like the colour
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I just went through the same choice. I chose the deluxe.

1: Fork is oil/coil/air instead of coil/mcu
2: Hydro brakes instead of cable (they may both be hydro where you are)
3: Better BB and crankset
4: XT RD not Deore
5: Better rims
6: I like the colour
I know I could probably extend my search and figure out what the differences are between these components you listed, but could you be so kind to explain the advantages/disadvantages of the different componentry listed above, if not I understand it could take some to explain. Thanx.

Have you recieved your bike yet? What do ya think?
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You will be able to have fun on either bike. The parts aren't significantly different but to upgrade the Hoss to the level of the Deluxe, it would likely cost more than the $250 price difference. Now keep in mind that I haven't looked that closely at the parts and the price differences...this is just my impression. So if you want to spend $250 more, you should be getting your money's worth (others may be able to confirm here).
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I mainly want the frame, cause from what I've read here the Hoss is one of the toughest frames around. I can upgrade later on.

But then again, others will agree the hardrock's have one of the toughest frames around.

So many choices!

I really like the Hoss because I like the styling of the Kona, it really draws me in. But then I've never rode a Kona Hoss and can only go on word of mouth because the lbs can only order the bike and doesn't just have them on the shelf for testing.

Hell, I'll probably follow the crowd and end up getting a hardrock and save a few hundred bucks. I have 3, count'em "3", lbs which carry specialized and have actually test rode a few Rockhoppers, no hardrock yet. Is the hardrock really more durable than the rockhopper?

Wow, i've really turned this thread a 180'
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What type of riding are you planning on doing and how much do you weigh?
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The frame on the hoss is pretty cool!
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I know I could probably extend my search and figure out what the differences are between these components you listed, but could you be so kind to explain the advantages/disadvantages of the different componentry listed above, if not I understand it could take some to explain. Thanx.

Have you recieved your bike yet? What do ya think?

1: Fork is oil/coil/air instead of coil/mcu.
This is the biggie for me. The coil & mcu fork is alright, not great, but alright. It has reasonable damping and is strong, but its adjustment is limited to pre-load. The coil/oil/air fork is about the same weight and strength but the oil damping is rebound adjustable and tunable by altering the oil viscosity and the air pressure can be varied to act in much the same way as the preload on the coil/mcu fork. The quality of damping response in the oil fork has the potential to be better than the mcu can provide, the down side is that oil/air forks are maintenance intensive compared to coil/mcu forks which in my experience at least are set and forget. I think the improved damping response and adjustability are worth the money and maintenance.

2: Hydro brakes instead of cable (they may both be hydro where you are)
Compared to my tektro disks the hayes are from another dimension, nuff said. Hydro V Cable? my experience is limited, but I do like they way hydros provide a smoooooooooth feel at the lever rather than clutch and grab of the cable disks on the Hoss.

3: Better BB and crankset
Really theres not much to say here, the improvement is incremental but raceface look the goods to me. I dont think I would notice if either of these cranksets was flexing.

4: XT RD not Deore
Again incremental improvements, Ive run LX for 12 months now and apart from around the bike shop carpark I dont know XT myself, but I'm reluctant to go down a level to buy a new bike and XT has a very good rep in these forums, so much so that it seems to be the product of choice around here unless your a weight weenie.

5: Better rims
To the best of my knowlege (thanks Raiyn ) the ditch witches are the OEM version of rhinolites, again the product of choice around here.

6: I like the colour
It rocks!

I think the main reason I bought it was that I'm a heavy guy, currently pretty flabby but this year (2006) I'll be in training with the Aussie military and I tend to put on muscle with exercise and by years end I'll still be heavy and the Haro was already at its limits in some situations. More to the point it had started to limit what I was prepared to do on it and next year I wont be near a bike shop for repairs etc so I bought a heavy duty bike. No I dont have it yet, I'm socking cash away in the shop but it wont be long now, the 700$AU I sold the Haro for certainly helped.

Re upgrades, the haro cost me 650$AU, to make it the bike I wanted I spent another 600$ at mates rates and ebay bargain hunting. 1250$AU probably would have bought me the bike I wanted at the time but I didnt have that at the time. Buy the bike you want within reason (H@ll, I want a coilair but thats not going to happen) , upgrades later always cost more and you still end up with a compromise. Cheers

Edit: I forgot to mention that I also suffer from shiney new bike syndrome
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Edit: I forgot to mention that I also suffer from shiney new bike syndrome
It's an epidemic.

Nice post, thanks.
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I ended up purchasing a Hoss Deluxe. Maybe the Hoss I testrode needed to be tuned up but the Deluxe just shifted so much better. The fork sucks donkey nuts though (soon to be replaced with an Surly Instigator fork.)
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What type of riding are you planning on doing and how much do you weigh?
I weigh around 205 and I'm looking for a mountain bike that's going to be used for a little street back and forth, trail riding (some light some heavy), and one I can "jump" every once in a while, no 8-10 footers but light jumping every now and again.

So I guess I'm looking for a very tough framed mountain bike that can handle mild jumps (without being an all out jumping bike) and still be a comfortable trail bike, downhill maybe some uphill also.

The Hoss from what I've read several of you post is a very strong, long lasting frame and can take a beating. I have a BMX background on bikes, but it's been 5-6 years since I've ridden so my landing's will take some work and I need a bike that will handle a few hard falls, ya know?

The Hoss is $899, that's probably a ridiculous amount of money to spend on a bike i've never even test rode or sat upon and I don't think the wife will be very supportive or understanding about spending this much cash on a "bicycle". (Don't get me wrong, I have a wonderful wife and I love her very much)

So maybe if I'm just beginning to pick up riding again I should start out on the low end. Hardrocks are in the $4-500 range and there's a lbs that's begging me to take an '05 Rockhopper Comp off of their hands for $575 and will probably drop again soon unless someone else snags it. I've also read arguments about Hardrocks have one of the strongest frames around...Hardrock vs. Hoss, frame durability? Anyone wanna chew on that? Or how about Hardrock vs. Rockhopper?

Should I shoot for the lower priced bike and upgrade later? Which has the stronger frame the '05 Rockhopper or the new '06 Hardrocks? May a get a few answers from you knowledgable folks?

Thanx for the replies so far everyone.
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(soon to be replaced with an Surly Instigator fork.)
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The Hoss is $899, that's probably a ridiculous amount of money to spend on a bike i've never even test rode or sat upon
I've known people to do worse. Although I 'm a firm believer that you need to test ride a bike before you buy it, and this becomes more important as the level of experience decreases. Bikes are 80% feel and 20% components and other stuff. If it doesn't feel right you won't ride it and then it really will be a waste of money
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and I don't think the wife will be very supportive or understanding about spending this much cash on a "bicycle". (Don't get me wrong, I have a wonderful wife and I love her very much)
Unfortunately that's non-cyclist ignorance. My suggestion is get her a bike too. She can't complain if she's an addict too.
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So maybe if I'm just beginning to pick up riding again I should start out on the low end. Hardrocks are in the $4-500 range and there's a lbs that's begging me to take an '05 Rockhopper Comp off of their hands for $575 and will probably drop again soon unless someone else snags it.
Go read my section in the FAQ's at the top of the MTB section
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I've also read arguments about Hardrocks have one of the strongest frames around...Hardrock vs. Hoss, frame durability?
Not touching that one
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Or how about Hardrock vs. Rockhopper?
Different uses different bikes
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Should I shoot for the lower priced bike and upgrade later?
That would be the most logical thing to do. If you blow your wad on a expensive bike and you hate the sport you won't recoup your losses. For a first MTB I usually steer people to the $500 price point as it comes with a frame worthy of upgraded parts that the user can add as desired or as things wear out. Use the first bike as a tool to decide what you want for the "bling bike"
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