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Old 01-10-06, 03:20 PM   #1
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singleators

are singleators good ? i want to put one on my bike.. because im a single speed user and i need something that will hold the chain good enough actually better than the normal derailleurs so the chain wont come off, for big jumps..
also i heard it runs alot smoother than derailleurs.. so what do you think should i get one ?

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Old 01-10-06, 06:37 PM   #2
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wait, i'm confused aren't single speed bikes "one" speed?
so you don't need derailleurs right?
if you are talking about a chain guide, then i would recommend one, atleast i want one...
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Old 01-10-06, 06:44 PM   #3
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He uses his derailuer as a type of chainguide to keep the chain tight and from coming off the cog and chainring. As far as I know, the surly singleators are pretty good. I haven't heard anything bad about them so I'd say go for it. What ratio are you running?
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The Surly Singulator works and works well. You can reverse the spring which allows you to tension (push) the chain up in stead of pull it down. Running it this way actually gives you some additional wrap around the rear cog and I have never lost a chain in this setting.
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ah ok i guess ill go for it dont know if ill find a surly one.. theres a good one from point too.. thanks guys
FF 6800: yeah i need a chain guide.. you cant take off the wheel if you dont have any chain guide and i dunno if it would work good with the chain all TIGHT.. its not like the bmx bikes
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If I was building a SS I'd want a Surly Singleator
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ah cool thanks for the replies, what should be better ? pushing the chain down or.. pushing it up ? pushing it up.. sounds like more friction to me
also i think pushing it down looks cooler

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I just put a surly singleator on a bike, it seems to work well, it can be adjusted for chain line.

With the spring pushing up it wraps more of the chain around the rear cog which is supposed to help reduce the chances of the chain falling off.
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If your gonna run a singulator(almost a derailluer) you might as well run a real derailluer and a shifter. Seriously I would never run anykind of tensioner on my single speed.Track drops and tugnuts baby!!!!
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no way ill never put a shifter back on.. too many cables and no space on the handlebar with shifters.. and.. also.. i think when you have less on the handlebar you have more "confidence".. atleast works for me lol
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If your gonna run a singulator(almost a derailluer) you might as well run a real derailluer and a shifter. Seriously I would never run anykind of tensioner on my single speed.Track drops and tugnuts baby!!!!
I smell a snobby elitist! It's about the ride, big guy, not the gear. Sorry we all can't afford some nice, pre-made SS. Some people have to make do with what we have.
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Ok, I'm a bit of a snobby elitest too. My cheaper suggestion that would still have a good cool factor, and less weight as well as less overall crap is to rebuild your rear wheel with the white industries eccentric hub:

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I smell a snobby elitist! It's about the ride, big guy, not the gear. Sorry we all can't afford some nice, pre-made SS. Some people have to make do with what we have.
I built my SS using old bmx parts and a Walmart bike.So if that makes me a snob for riding a $45 bike then so be it.Guess I'm a snob then
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I built my SS using old bmx parts and a Walmart bike.So if that makes me a snob for riding a $45 bike then so be it.Guess I'm a snob then
Go back and re-read what he said. Turn the comprehension switch on this time.
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Go back and re-read what he said. Turn the comprehension switch on this time.
I have read it and I do understand. Do you even rock an SS or fix?
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I have read it and I do understand.
I doubt that, seriously or else you wouldn't have made that comment. He was responding to a snobby ass comment you made about track nuts and the like. For those of us converting a bike with vertical drops a tensioner is the quick and easy way of approaching things.
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I've built my fair share. Why do you care anyway?

Ahh I see now.
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Another good thread teetering on the edge of ruin...

Ronin, Walmart really sells bikes with track dropouts? I'm assuming they face backwards, is that right? WHat kind of bike was it to begin with?

Oh, I meant to add, another downside to a singleators is that, like a derailluer, you can rip it off on a nasty rock.
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While I lust after the ENO and have one on the converted fixie, I run a singleator on the SS MTB. You could also take an old derailleur and use it as a chain tensioner if you wanted to get it up and running on the cheap and quick.

I'm runnning the push down spring on my Singleator and haven't had any problems with dropping the chain yet. If I had more cogs to play with I could probably get a push up spring to work, but if it ain't broke...
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If your gonna run a singulator(almost a derailluer) you might as well run a real derailluer and a shifter. Seriously I would never run anykind of tensioner on my single speed.Track drops and tugnuts baby!!!!

I'm with Ronin...I think a singulator somewhat defeats the purpose of a SS.

But i _do_ appreciate Trekkie's comment. I am a snob, tho!
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I'm with Ronin...I think a singulator somewhat defeats the purpose of a SS.
Why? By making a frame with vertical drops and a conventional BB SS compatible without a special hub? We're not talking about a fix here.
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Im really not a bike snob. I just love bikes and I do feel a singulator kinda ruins it. Having said that Yes,Im a noob on this forum. I am not new to cycling or forums however. I am a senior poster on other forums. The mart bike was just a run of the mill hard tail.With reverse track drops.You can still run a tugnut on them to prevent axle slip. I have other bikes that are also SS or fix as well. While it's not for everyone Sheldon will sell you track drops for about the same $$$ as a singulator. I have ridden bikes with singulators and there really is no compare to a pure SS. Thats why you see so many post about why does the chain skip and so forth with singultaors. Multi gear frames do not really make very good SS bikes. I should have been more thorough in my first post and not sounded like such a snob.Raiyn the reason I asked if you ride a Ss or fix is because after reading your other post I think you are just a poser who does not know about SS or much else for that matter. Head over to the ss forum to spread some more of your "knowledge'. By the way Raiyn good job flaming us "noobs" that will keep you in good standing for some time.So yes I am new to this forum Raiyn,but one thing you will never see me do is poat about something I don't have experiance with. Such as downhill or freeride. Unlike you I make sure I have a clue first.If you want to know about frame building,welding,painting,SS,or fixgear I will be glad to help since I have hands on experiance on those areas. Now let's put this behind us and enjoy the ride.Peace.
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I have a brand new Van Dessel 32h FlipFlop (fixed/free) MTB hub and a used KORE Chain Reactor tensioner (can push or pull) to get rid of. PM me if interested.
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Raiyn the reason I asked if you ride a Ss or fix is because after reading your other post I think you are just a poser who does not know about SS or much else for that matter.
It's not really wise to insult me, you really don't want me as an enemy. That plus you're violating several guidelines in that last statement.
By the way: Being a senior member doesn't mean anything other than you posted 50+ times (or whatever the site requires) so I'm not at all impressed

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Head over to the ss forum to spread some more of your "knowledge'.
I don't feel a need to post in there anymore as the last time I was in there it looked like a slightly more mature version of the BMX section, and was in danger of being removed from the website. I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else, my record speaks for me.
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By the way Raiyn good job flaming us "noobs" that will keep you in good standing for some time.
You really don't get it do you? My standing here has no basis in how many "noobs" I flame. My reputation has been built on giving people the right information and not letting two bit know-it-all's walk all over me
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Unlike you I make sure I have a clue first.
You really are new aren't you? If you'd been around longer you'd know better than to make a silly statement like that
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If you want to know about frame building,welding,painting,SS,or fixgear I will be glad to help since I have hands on experiance on those areas.
I'll ask if, and when I need to, and I'll do so gladly. I'd be asking more so on the frame building / welding portions than anything else
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Now let's put this behind us and enjoy the ride.Peace.
Best thing you've said yet in this thread
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