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Old 03-01-06, 03:47 PM   #1
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tubeless tires

i was just wondering what are the pros and cons of tubeless tires?
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Old 03-01-06, 06:56 PM   #2
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Just off the top of my head............

pro - no tubes, run lower pressures with no pinch flats, supposed lower rolling resistance at same pressure as regular tires & tubes (that one I have heard around the intraweb, I don't notice it on my bike), set and forget puncture resistance with stans or slime,

Cons- Limited tire selection, a bit of a weight penalty, have to be hercules to get them on
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what setup are you using to run tubeless ? I've been thinking of going with a tubeless setup ,but I'm not sure how I want to go about it. Most people would think, tubeless would be lighter in weight . Is this due to sealant weight or thicker tire casing ?
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what setup are you using to run tubeless ? I've been thinking of going with a tubeless setup ,but I'm not sure how I want to go about it. Most people would think, tubeless would be lighter in weight . Is this due to sealant weight or thicker tire casing ?
its cuz the tire is extremely heavy...in some cases u can get a regular tire to bead up correctly but they seem to roll alot in cornerering..

also u have to think about the ust tape strip in the rim.. added weight..

but i figure.. if u have a decent set up.. then they are about the same weight for tubed and tubeless
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in some cases u can get a regular tire to bead up correctly but they seem to roll alot in cornerering..

also u have to think about the ust tape strip in the rim.. added weight..
I was thinking about trying Stan's(so I don't need to buy new wheels) . The Nevegal/Blue Grooves Stick-E tires that I'm running work great in my area and I'd like to keep using them , but will they work well with the Stans set-up ?
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Hi
My bike came stock with tubless compatible rims (Bontager race lite) with Bontager kevlar tires and I was wondering what systems you guys have used and would suggest. thanks

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My only experience with tubeless tire setups is UST, or the traditional tubeless setup.

UST rims and UST tires.

Run with stans goop or Slime they have been flatproof for me for a couple of years in areas where I ride with tires and tubes and get flats once a month.

The weight penalty is due to the tire being a bit heavy when compared to a tire plus a tube. But depending on the brand/style of tire, this penalty has been greatly reduced in recent years. Some UST setups approximate tire and tube combos in weight now.

In my opinion, the ideal XC racing setup is stans tubeless setup with regular tires and rims. I wouldn't want that setup for general riding though.
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You really can ride at a much lower tire pressure with tubeless tires and that is a nice feature depending on your riding style. I switched to tubeless about a year ago and really wouldn't go back now.
I carry a spare tube in case I get a flat though.
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I was thinking about trying Stan's(so I don't need to buy new wheels) . The Nevegal/Blue Grooves Stick-E tires that I'm running work great in my area and I'd like to keep using them , but will they work well with the Stans set-up ?
Yes, it will work. With the Kenda's it does take a little extra time to get them to seal up though.
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Yes, it will work. With the Kenda's it does take a little extra time to get them to seal up though.
thank you.
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Yes, it will work. With the Kenda's it does take a little extra time to get them to seal up though.
hey can you give an indepth explaination... cuz ive had tires(firexcpros) that ive tried to mount onto the ust rims... but i was never successful as to geting them to bead up.. so i ended up using ritchey's ... really crappy i kno.. but they have a sweetly tite bead
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hey can you give an indepth explaination... cuz ive had tires(firexcpros) that ive tried to mount onto the ust rims... but i was never successful as to geting them to bead up.. so i ended up using ritchey's ... really crappy i kno.. but they have a sweetly tite bead

They are talking about running a tubeless setup on non ust rim and tires.
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hey can you give an indepth explaination... cuz ive had tires(firexcpros) that ive tried to mount onto the ust rims... but i was never successful as to geting them to bead up.. so i ended up using ritchey's ... really crappy i kno.. but they have a sweetly tite bead

The FireXC's are one of the easiest tires to get to seal up. The biggest secret is to use a decent air compressor. Other than that the first time seat it without any fluid in it. That will keep the mess down some. After that let the air out and put the fluid in thru the air valve.

This is assuming that you are using non-ust tires on ust rims.
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This is assuming that you are using non-ust tires on ust rims.
I would like to use my non-UST rims with non-UST tires and Stans. Is this much less than ideal ?
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This is assuming that you are using non-ust tires on ust rims.
thats correct
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Consider Yes Tubes . Cheaper than Stan's and Shore proven.
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I would like to use my non-UST rims with non-UST tires and Stans. Is this much less than ideal ?
That's what I use. I have been very happy with it for the past three years.
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pro - light, no tube, light, cool

cons - u have to carry spare tire instead of tube (bigger)
more expensive, not good for big jumps as air will leak for a fraction of a second when the tire hits hard
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In my experience with my UST tire/wheel combination and Slime...
Pros - no tubes; no pinch flats; maybe run on very low pressure; no rim tape.
Cons - still heavy; need to bring tube to fix flat if Slime didn't work; I can't pump it as a tubeless tire, with manual pumps (need a compressor); cost more than non-UST.
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pros-no pinch flats, often no flats, lower pressure,
cons-must have co2 inflator, heavier, lower pressure is only helpful for certain terrain,
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cons - u have to carry spare tire instead of tube (bigger)
Why would you do that? If you do end up with a flat you can still just put a tube in for the rest of the ride.
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How are these any different from regular tubes? the website didn't really show or explain much . do you use these?
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How are these any different from regular tubes? the website didn't really show or explain much . do you use these?
It's meant to be a joke. They are just tubes.
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thanks . I've had quite a bit of Sake' this evening.
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