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Old 05-07-06, 06:44 PM   #1
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So damn close...

I pulled a semi-lurch today and I'm so close to doing it, I met a fellow trials rider today (believe, around here they are incredibly hard to find, so much in fact he is the only one I know) and he gave me a few pointers on balance and lurch, then I saw him lurch (on my own bike heh) and the inspiration came to me, I spent the whole day trying and I pulled a few semi-lurchs lol but I'm so close, I bet that with a little bit more practice I'll nail this move.
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sweet... there's not very many trials people here as well (that i know of) congrats on semi-nailing it!
good luck on the lurch!
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Lurch is tough. I tried many many many times (years) and I still cant get it. Centre of balance being a big part, I just couldn't nail it.
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Yes indeed, balance is the most important thing and then there is the whole "body" factor, it may not seem like it but it takes some strength to lurch well although its just as important as balance and technique.

Hmm, I'm getting there, I'll see if I upgrade the pedals (maybe some cheap Azonic Magnesium) on my bike tomorrow to get a little more grip (these crappy ones, although light, are butt ugly and grip like ****).
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I pulled a semi-lurch today
That's cool, I can do a quarter barspin.
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Chone , Have you had good luck with your Sun DS2 xc rims ? I'm looking for some affordable lightweight disc hoops .
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Learning to lurch takes a really long time. But, once you get it, it comes easily. Lurching can be done on any bike. Set your bike up so that it feels better when on the rear wheel. Try adjusting the brakes so that they get best locking power, and angle down the levers and bring them in. Here's a vid of me with my bruiser:

http://media.putfile.com/asdfsss
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Hmm, Jason222, I'm currently trying by endoing and then pulling the back, do you just wheelie and then lurch (the video and WMV lack of step by step playback makes it difficult)? Do you think its easier that way cause I have decent balance when wheeling.

P.S: I'll also share my useless discovery with you today, manualing (a maneuver I'm still polishing slowly) is a lot easier if you pull the front VERY gently and shift weight VERY carefully and for some wicked reason I can't seem to understand its better practicing when going down stuff (like small stairs and whatnot) while on the back wheel at least based on my personal experience practicing like that has made it easier to learn manualing for me, still, I'm a long way from manualing properly

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Keep at it. The pedal kick is a basic move you need to master.

Focus on the height of your front wheel when you let it start to drop, which will control how far you lurch.
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Old 05-08-06, 09:03 PM   #11
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hmm by the way do you think its necessary to learn how to back hop? I mean its easier for me trying to lurch than trying to backhop, I can backhop but only off a front pull and while moving (obviously).
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This is helpful:
http://www.trials-online.com/techniques-lurch.php

Lurching takes a while to learn. It's basically just pedal kicks forward, locking the rear, unlocking and kick forward...lock, etc. You just need to get the hang of it.

This too:
http://www.trials-online.com/the-videos.php
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I think you need to have some basic things mastered before you learn to pedal kick(lurch):

1.Master speed and timing of braking. It is key. Practice grabbing the brake when you go off curbs, but don't touch it until you're fully off the curb. Practice is key.

2. Learn other pedal stroke moves first. I learned to Sidehop and Surge long before I learned the lurch. ( http://www.trials-online.com/video/f...dal_torear.php )

3.Learn to hop forward/ onto the rear wheel. I'll try to get a short vid of this if I can.
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I've got number 1 nailed down alright.

About number 2, hmm wouldn't a Surge be harder to do than a lurch? I haven't tried sidehopping but I can j-hop just fine if that helps.

3. A video would be great, I can only hop on my rear wheel while moving.

While I wait for your answer, I'm going to go try it lol.
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I just had the craziest trials session, too bad my brother was being a *** and wouldn't come out with me. The Giant Stp 1 is so crazy!

Try learning to pedal to get your front wheel up, then lift the rear like you would in a "J-hop" to get surges and sidehops done.

Have your seat ALL the way down.
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Heh, that trials-online page seriously speaks the truth lol, I finally figured out the lurch, I understand all the body movements now (the light bulb came on lol and only after 2 weeks of practice ), now all I need is a little balance and some more ooomph to make the lurch worthwhile, as it is now I get some pretty miniscule weak lurch (puny height and distance) and even then it takes some tries to get that weak lurch but whatever, its a start I'll post a video once I can actually lurch for real. Trials rule so much, not only do you get huge respect from fellow riders by doing small stuff but the sense of accomplishment and challenge is too great lol.

Jason222, I think I'm going to concentrate on the backhop and lurch for the moment before trying surges and sidehops, hopefully I might be able to become a consistent lurcher in 1-2 weeks more

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Awesome!
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I'm headed out with my brother now, I'll try to get some vids up.
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...It's raining out! We went out anyway, and I found that the STP has a leak in the rear tire...I tried doing stuff, but there was just too little air in the rear. It was probably about 28 psi or less. I got one vid anyway, it's just some small stuff to show you how to surge forward and up small stuff. I can do it up things that are about 1.5 feet high, but there isn't anything near our apartment building to do.

http://media.putfile.com/asdfdddd

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Alright now at last I can lurch a whole lot better, I can only hop UP about an inch or half an inch (yes I know its not much) and go forwarda bout 1-2.5 inches but at least I can pull 2-3 in a row and I can ALWAYS pull at least one so overall I feel happy with my progress with the lurch (I hate how a bunch of my friends call it "pogo" like it was some kind of streey BMX trick but whatever, I´m not gonna give them hell for that lol)
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Well, a "pogo" isn't giving any kind of pedal stroke. It's just bouncing on the rear wheel and staying there.
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Well, a "pogo" isn't giving any kind of pedal stroke. It's just bouncing on the rear wheel and staying there.
I know and I could "pogo" (god I hate that term) long before, still when I push the bike forward (lurch) on a hop, they still call it pogo, I even prefer the term "little forwards hop on the back tire".
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Heh. What gear are you trying to do it in? Know the gear ratio as well?
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Can't tell you teeth number since thats not my area of expertise lol but I can tell you I run the granny ring (the the smallest one right?) up front and the 3rd or 4th cog from the left on the rear, what would you recommend I try?
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