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    What brakes to run on my new Slayer???

    So it came with Avid Juicy 5's and 8" rotors. I was gonna swap out the 8" rotors for 6" so my wheelsets would be interchangeable between all my bikes. Then I read that avid's didn't have as much stopping power as Hayes(which are on all my other bikes). So now I'm thinking El Camino's, but the reviews on MTBR are terrible(but I take any reviews there with a grain of salt) So now WTF do I do? Just keep the Avid's with the 8" rotors? Or run something else? Hayes, Hope, Formula?????????? I am open to any suggestions..............

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    Cantilevers, duh...

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    run the avids. tell us what you think after a test ride or two or three.

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    They might not have the same stopping power, but hayes have ALOT of power. For a slayer (all mountain) a pair of Avids would be good.

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    ....is this a joke question? Seriously I have never heard a single complaint of lack of power, I have heard they are hard to setup to modulate, but I haven't run into that problem...avid have more stopping power than hayes. I run hayes on my xc bike and juicy's on both my dh bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vw addict
    So it came with Avid Juicy 5's and 8" rotors. I was gonna swap out the 8" rotors for 6" so my wheelsets would be interchangeable between all my bikes. Then I read that avid's didn't have as much stopping power as Hayes(which are on all my other bikes).
    Yeah the Juicy's are horrable, toss em out in the garbage.......... oh and what's your address? When is you garbage day?




    P.S. Wanna trade some hayes Mag's for the avids?
    if you aren't having fun, then you get rigid, stiff, crash, cry and then you make your new friend run away..... (there don't you feel less nervous now?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcpunk21
    Yeah the Juicy's are horrable, toss em out in the garbage.......... oh and what's your address? When is you garbage day?




    P.S. Wanna trade some hayes Mag's for the avids?
    Lol. I read the first part and didn't know what you were getting at. And tell us all your info, I will come and take them off your hands.

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    There is only one thing I could ever say bad about the juicy brakes, they squeal like mad when they get wet, but different rotors (their clean sweep ones) do away with that. The polygon rotors don't clean as well, and that's what causes the squeel.

    P.S. Sorry about the typo's and spelling errors, it's been a REALLY long day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelstrom
    ....is this a joke question? Seriously I have never heard a single complaint of lack of power, I have heard they are hard to setup to modulate, but I haven't run into that problem...avid have more stopping power than hayes. I run hayes on my xc bike and juicy's on both my dh bikes.
    It can't be a joke he's a bike shop manager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker66
    It can't be a joke he's a bike shop manager.
    what you wanna throw hands!?!?!?!?! I'll throw hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Remeber, I work in a shop that carries Santa Cruz so you should all bow down to me because they are the best!
    And Mael, thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. Someone that has riden both and has an unbiased opinion. I have never tried anything but Hayes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vw addict
    what you wanna throw hands!?!?!?!?! I'll throw hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Remeber, I work in a shop that carries Santa Cruz so you should all bow down to me because they are the best!
    And Mael, thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. Someone that has riden both and has an unbiased opinion. I have never tried anything but Hayes.
    Hmmm, I haven't seen a shop yet that couldn't order Santa Cruz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LowCel
    Hmmm, I haven't seen a shop yet that couldn't order Santa Cruz.
    Yes, but actually has them in stock, AND stocks replacement parts(that you need every few weeks and would otherwise have to wait 8 months to get them from Santa Cruz)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vw addict
    Yes, but actually has them in stock, AND stocks replacement parts(that you need every few weeks and would otherwise have to wait 8 months to get them from Santa Cruz)?
    Yeah, going by that statement I assume that you agree that SC's customer service has really gone downhill since they went "big time".
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    Quote Originally Posted by LowCel
    SC's customer service
    what service? Seems like they do nothing but get high there.

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    hahaha...fantastic. Their rep is transending their product. Bad news... To bad I love their bikes...

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    Our last dealing with them involved getting a frame that was paid for via credit card when the order was place. A week later the frame came C.O.D. The shop called Santa Cruz about it and spent a good bit of time convincing them that it was paid for. They finally found the paperwork and then told the shop to go ahead and write a check for the frame. They said to just cancel it afterwards. They were not willing to reimburse the shop for the $35 to stop the check. A couple hours later the rep called the store and asked if everything had been taken care of. He then informed them that they don't need customers like us, we are too disorganized.

    Oh, once we took the frame out of the box it had several scratches on it under the clear coat. There were problems with the last three frames they ordered from Santa Cruz.

    Oh, my favorite was when one of the employees did an employee purchase on a heckler. He ordered the bike, it came in no problem. He loved the bike. A month later he was billed for the frame again. He had to call Santa Cruz at least ten times over a three week period to get them to finally convince them that he had already paid them for it once. He had to send them all kinds of paperwork from the credit card company. He was finally able to get it straightened out. Two months later they charged his credit card a third time for the frame. That time was a little easier to get reversed but still shouldn't have happened. He ended up cancelling the card to make sure they didn't charge it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WannaGetGood
    They might not have the same stopping power, but hayes have ALOT of power. For a slayer (all mountain) a pair of Avids would be good.
    The hayes mags I had before switching to Avids BB7's were awful, I'm really impressed with the Juicy 7's on my ride right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw addict
    And Mael, thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. Someone that has riden both and has an unbiased opinion. I have never tried anything but Hayes.
    I've run early hayes mags (awesome), early hayes comps (equally awesome) recent mags (...adequate) and hayes hfx9 (decent for me anyways for xc) and juicy 5's (best yet for everything) and juicy 7s (didn't keep em, they weren't any different than my 5's)...

    The only brakes I could lock with my left hand (missing fingers and all that) was the juicy. I have never had luck with hayes for pure unadulterated power

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    Avid Juicy 5 eh...they ain't that bad slcpunk21...i have the juicy 7 running on 7" (modded as avid don't support 7") Juciy 5 should be similar power. Down sizing your rotor so it just fit all you bikes...i dunno if that is a gd idea....

    in terms of Hayes, the El Camino review is bad as its the highest end of Hayes brakes and for the price you paid for, its not worth it...i never tried El Camino myself but the HFX-9 are horrible...worst then the Juicy 7...but HFX is cheap...

    You might want to try hope...i have Hope M4 and they are crazy. or the OLD shimano XT ones which is similar to m4/ the m755 not the 756!

    marta SL should be a good choice too

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    Quote Originally Posted by vw addict
    what you wanna throw hands!?!?!?!?! I'll throw hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Remeber, I work in a shop that carries Santa Cruz so you should all bow down to me because they are the best!
    I don't know about SC, I'm a Huffy rider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by achc
    Avid Juicy 5 eh...they ain't that bad slcpunk21...i have the juicy 7 running on 7" (modded as avid don't support 7") Juciy 5 should be similar power. Down sizing your rotor so it just fit all you bikes...i dunno if that is a gd idea....
    He was being heavily sarcastic. SLC only runs juicy's now which is why he is selling the hayes.

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