Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Mountain Biking Mountain biking is one of the fastest growing sports in the world. Check out this forum to discuss the latest tips, tricks, gear and equipment in the world of mountain biking.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-27-06, 06:43 AM   #1
Silva
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 13
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Specialized BigHit3 vs. KONA Stab Deluxe

me and my buddy are buying new bikes because we got the crazy idea that we wanted to jump longer and futher than ever before, and our old bikes are kinda scampy so they break down easy

here is the thing, he is certain that specialized bighit3 is better than KONA Stab Deluxe, but im not so sure

allthough the bighit costs 27000,- NOK and the Stab is 24000,- NOK

could i please get some opinions about theese to wonders?

Thanks, Silva
Silva is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 06:45 AM   #2
vw addict
Senior Member
 
vw addict's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: East coast
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac Expert, Cannondale R700, Specialized Langster, Iron Horse Hollowpoint Team, Schwinn Homegrown
Posts: 2,673
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
One thing is certain, they are both super heavy.
vw addict is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 06:46 AM   #3
Silva
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 13
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Heres 2 pictures



Silva is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 06:48 AM   #4
Silva
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 13
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
yes i know. a little under 20kg
but the bikes are good for dirtjumping and downhill
Silva is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 09:03 AM   #5
Maelstrom 
Wood Licker
 
Maelstrom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Whistler,BC
Bikes: Transition Dirtbag, Kona Roast 2002 and specialized BMX
Posts: 16,885
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
They aren't good for djing. To much suspension. But dh bikes they are...and heavy they need to be.

to be honest its a tossup. Both great bikes, designs are different one acts like a single pivot and the other is a horst linkage 4 bar. Similar components.

What does you lbs carry and which lbs is better with offering warranties?
Maelstrom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 09:33 AM   #6
Silva
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 13
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maelstrom
What does you lbs carry and which lbs is better with offering warranties?
English please =) lbs?
Silva is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 09:36 AM   #7
Silva
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 13
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maelstrom
Both great bikes, designs are different one acts like a single pivot and the other is a horst linkage 4 bar.
what suspension build is better for what?
Silva is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 10:00 AM   #8
Maelstrom 
Wood Licker
 
Maelstrom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Whistler,BC
Bikes: Transition Dirtbag, Kona Roast 2002 and specialized BMX
Posts: 16,885
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Local bike shop.

4 bar is commonly considered better especially for beginner to intermediate riders who tend to ride their brakes. Pros can get away with single pivot style designs because they really don't use them so the poor performance of brake jack/squat doesn't occur.

Keeping in mind the kona you have in the picture has a brake therpy arm so that doesn't matter either.

These are equal, pick the one you can get and which you think is prettier
Maelstrom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 12:53 PM   #9
trevor
dirt is good
 
trevor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: winnipeg,mb-Canada
Bikes: norco wolverine
Posts: 284
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
personally I like the looks of the specialized better
trevor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 12:56 PM   #10
trevor
dirt is good
 
trevor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: winnipeg,mb-Canada
Bikes: norco wolverine
Posts: 284
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
arghh sorry bout the double post I think I hit the button twice...
trevor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 01:35 PM   #11
Silva
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 13
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
i think kona has a better look its something out of the normal
Silva is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 05:25 PM   #12
literocola
Your Local Megalomaniac
 
literocola's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Centennial, CO
Bikes: Gary Fisher GED, ECHO Pure, Norco Moment, Kona Stab
Posts: 265
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I have a Kona Stab, and buddy has the big hit.
GO KONA! That bike can take 30 foot drops like its like riding off a curb. Its fast, handles like a frekkin Ducati, and loves to be airborne. I would never buy a Big Hit after riding my buddys.
There are many reasons why you should go Kona.
Floting rear disk brake.
5 point rear suspension points, and all have monster ball bearings. Big Hit does not. Look at the diffrence on the Kona's to the Big Hit. See the bearing diffrence at the points?
Geometry is much better for downhill action on the Kona, you have better chance of not going head over heals when hauling mad arse downhill on a huge decent. Since these arnt made for going up, only down.
And, its a frekkin Kona!
literocola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 05:47 PM   #13
Maelstrom 
Wood Licker
 
Maelstrom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Whistler,BC
Bikes: Transition Dirtbag, Kona Roast 2002 and specialized BMX
Posts: 16,885
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Don't even touch the durability card lit. Bighit is undoubtedly the most durable bike made. I doubt anyone who has been in this business for a few years would argue that. Claim bearing this and bearing that is just crap. Outside of BMX and other boutique companies that is.

The rest of your points at least have merrit.
Maelstrom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 06:42 PM   #14
literocola
Your Local Megalomaniac
 
literocola's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Centennial, CO
Bikes: Gary Fisher GED, ECHO Pure, Norco Moment, Kona Stab
Posts: 265
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Bullshat whistler. Kona durability is far better than Specialized. Kona was formed by guys who knew how to make bikes last, especially under riders that enjoy beating the crud out of their rides.
You should know, bieng in Whistler and all, they sponser so many events that come there.
Its like the diffrence between a Specialized Hardrock and the Kona Cowan for hardtails. Dont see any pro's running a specialized hardrock, or any P series. But you will see a handfull of Kona's.
Specialized was lucky to pick up Berracloth, but he also designed his own frame, and not using a BigHit or a Demo9. The frame he uses is not availbale to the public. But you can go out and buy a bike that Kona's pro riders are using. Carlin Dunn (Stab) John Cowan (Cowan) Paul Bass (Stinky winner of 2 Crankworks, Whistler BC) Dave Watson (Stab)
Not to even mention Kona's Euro team.
Specilized is trying to make their way into the Hucking/North Shore/ Big Air scene; but are not making much leway. Specialized leads the way for your "average" rider; Novice riders choose Specialized.

Last edited by literocola; 05-27-06 at 06:50 PM.
literocola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 06:58 PM   #15
Maelstrom 
Wood Licker
 
Maelstrom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Whistler,BC
Bikes: Transition Dirtbag, Kona Roast 2002 and specialized BMX
Posts: 16,885
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
haha...now I know there is no need to listen to you...all your pros have disposable bikes, the bike (all pros) are on a replacement program. Anyways not gonna argue, you are wrong and quoting what pros ride is assinine...I know very well the quality of kona but discounting the bighit series is just plain ignorant.

ciao
Maelstrom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 07:02 PM   #16
literocola
Your Local Megalomaniac
 
literocola's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Centennial, CO
Bikes: Gary Fisher GED, ECHO Pure, Norco Moment, Kona Stab
Posts: 265
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
ignorant yes.
But, Ill stand behind Kona till the day I die.
literocola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 07:38 PM   #17
trevor
dirt is good
 
trevor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: winnipeg,mb-Canada
Bikes: norco wolverine
Posts: 284
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Kona fanboy... nah just kiddin, Im sure no matter what bike you get you will be way more than happy. I really have an urge to just try out one of those DH bikes for a day, they look so amazing and Ive never even sat on one. Then again there is absolutly NO use for a DH bike in Manitoba.... its flatter than a pancake. I always check the bikes out at my LBS though, their so narly.
trevor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-06, 10:46 PM   #18
konaguy1123
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: california
Bikes: trek and a kona stinky primo
Posts: 68
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
the kona looks prettier. and they are pretty durable. i dont think you will have a problem with either of them
konaguy1123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-06, 04:14 AM   #19
Silva
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 13
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
this is what i like guys! literocola & maelstrom fighting
telling alot of good and bad stuff about both bikes.. keep on fighting
im learning from it haha
Silva is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-06, 04:42 AM   #20
Drunken Chicken
Senior Member
 
Drunken Chicken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Spain, although I'm Hungarian
Bikes: Check signature
Posts: 1,855
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
One thing Maelstrom, I thought single pivots weren't very sensitive? I just find it strange because I always thought of the Kona Stab Deelux to be a sensitive bike as it was made for DH but then you say it acts like a single pivot and that kind of confuses me.
Drunken Chicken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-06, 08:03 AM   #21
mtnbiker66
Old School Rad
 
mtnbiker66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: The old Mountains
Bikes: Blur LT
Posts: 8,212
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
[QUOTE=literocola]I have a Kona Stab, and buddy has the big hit.
GO KONA! That bike can take 30 foot drops like its like riding off a curb.QUOTE]

Do you have pics or a vid of you doing that? It would be cool to see it.
__________________
Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......
mtnbiker66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-06, 09:10 AM   #22
literocola
Your Local Megalomaniac
 
literocola's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Centennial, CO
Bikes: Gary Fisher GED, ECHO Pure, Norco Moment, Kona Stab
Posts: 265
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Hell no, you wont catch me huckin over any fire roads. Seen it done up in Durango, and Winter Park. Some guys are just nuts. Had a near death experience about a year ago doing some freeride, and was behind my buddy haulin nuts. Next thing I know, hes on the brakes and I laughed and kept on going. Well, there was a good 20' cliff there, launched off it just praying to god I make it alive. Prepaied for impact, hit, and destoryed my wheelset, spokes everywhere, rotors bent to shat, frame... A ok. Somehow managed to walk away from the incident with no major problems other than wrists and ankles in pain; the bike my Kona.

....but... I could steal a pic and claim it as me? would that suit ya.. mabye I'll steal your Santa Cruze for a day, and get you some real disk brakes, no more cable.
literocola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-06, 10:46 AM   #23
Silva
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 13
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
i just saw a downhill movie called Roam, and funny enough... i didnt see one single KONA bike :S
Silva is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-06, 11:29 AM   #24
literocola
Your Local Megalomaniac
 
literocola's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Centennial, CO
Bikes: Gary Fisher GED, ECHO Pure, Norco Moment, Kona Stab
Posts: 265
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Go watch Unchained
literocola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-06, 11:59 AM   #25
Maelstrom 
Wood Licker
 
Maelstrom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Whistler,BC
Bikes: Transition Dirtbag, Kona Roast 2002 and specialized BMX
Posts: 16,885
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunken Chicken
One thing Maelstrom, I thought single pivots weren't very sensitive? I just find it strange because I always thought of the Kona Stab Deelux to be a sensitive bike as it was made for DH but then you say it acts like a single pivot and that kind of confuses me.
Single pivots, like all bikes, can be made to be very sensative. It depends on pivot location, design and the shock installed. The pivot location, shock ratio and type of shock used gives it a very very plush feel to it. The stinky which uses the same basic design principles with a platform shock and different pivot locations is less plush, one step further is the King Kikapu which again is the same design, uses a stiff platform shock/air and has slightly different pivot locations as well as I believe a different shock ratio, feels entirely different.

It also depends what you mean by sensative, but I am assuming you are referring to sticking to trails and negative travel as thats what concerns generally downhillers.

btw I am not saying one is better than the other. Kona's kick ass, but to say bighits don't when they are a proven design and strength, is just stupid.
Maelstrom is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:43 AM.