Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Mountain Biking Mountain biking is one of the fastest growing sports in the world. Check out this forum to discuss the latest tips, tricks, gear and equipment in the world of mountain biking.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-07-06, 09:27 AM   #1
Siu Blue Wind
Flowers for mom
Thread Starter
 
Siu Blue Wind's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 10,951
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 64 Post(s)
Santa Cruz Heckler and Stumpy FSR

Need an all mountain. Want something durable and not necessarily XC. Anybody out there who knows which can climb better, and has less pedal bob? Also my concern is jacking of the suspension during braking. I understand Stumpy falls under both AM and XC both. Any other suggestions?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddha
We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.
Quote:
Originally Posted by making View Post
Please dont outsmart the censor. That is a very expensive censor and every time one of you guys outsmart it it makes someone at the home office feel bad. We dont wanna do that. So dont cleverly disguise bad words.
Siu Blue Wind is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-06, 10:02 AM   #2
juliebeanpie
Senior Member
 
juliebeanpie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Chico, CA
Bikes: Santa Cruz Heckler, Giant Revive
Posts: 60
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I have a Heckler with a Fox Float for rear suspension which has a lock out on it. I have never used the lock out, because I've never had a problem with pedal bob. My hubby has the 5th element on his Heckler, and he does not complain of bob either. I'm sure all the Specialized fans are going to get mad at me, but the Heckler is just a better built bike all around. I've ridden both, and I wouldn't take two Specialized bikes for one Santa Cruz!
juliebeanpie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-06, 10:19 AM   #3
cryptid01
one less horse
 
cryptid01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: East Jesus NY
Bikes: are better than yours
Posts: 5,600
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
juliebeanpie, I presume your Float has platform damping to mitigate the pedal bob?

SBW, a single pivot like the Heckler will be more prone to brake jack than an FSR, although it probably won't be noticeable unless you're shredding the gnar on some super steeps.
cryptid01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-06, 12:56 PM   #4
pinkrobe
DNPAIMFB
 
pinkrobe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Cowtown, AB
Bikes: Titus El Guapo, Misfit diSSent, Cervelo Soloist Carbon, Wabi Lightning, et al.
Posts: 4,654
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Some of my friends have Hecklers, some of my friends have Stumps... The FSR riders have their bikes set up super-soft. I threw a leg over one, and even with the rear shock set up completely wrong, I could still spin with minimum bob and there was no brake jack. The Heckler dudes are hard-core XC/road riders and ride their bikes set up with a minimum of sag. They get a bit of bob, but they're already so smooth on the bike it's hard to tell. This is opposite to what most people think of when looking at these two bikes, but the point is that they're both flexible designs. I'm a big fan of the Horst Link, but the Stable Platform shocks have come a long way in the last couple of years. Put a Pro-pedal shock on a FSR, and you'll never see bob again...

SBW, from your past posts, you need a smaller bike, right? Instead of a Heckler, try the Blur LT. If that's too much money, go for the FSR, although you might want to see about getting a lighter stem/seat/bars/wheelset. $0.02
__________________
Proud Member of the HHCMF
'06 Cervelo Soloist Carbon | '09 Titus El Guapo | '09 Misfit diSSent | '09 Wabi Lightning
pinkrobe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-06, 01:34 PM   #5
Siu Blue Wind
Flowers for mom
Thread Starter
 
Siu Blue Wind's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 10,951
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 64 Post(s)
Well it seems that I'm steering more toward the FSR...

I called around. None in my size...Specialized only has the higher line in my size.

Blur is an attractive bike to own but I still have to buy food.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddha
We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.
Quote:
Originally Posted by making View Post
Please dont outsmart the censor. That is a very expensive censor and every time one of you guys outsmart it it makes someone at the home office feel bad. We dont wanna do that. So dont cleverly disguise bad words.
Siu Blue Wind is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-06, 04:04 PM   #6
mtnbiker66
Old School Rad
 
mtnbiker66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: The old Mountains
Bikes: Blur LT
Posts: 8,212
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I Have ridden the Heckler before I got my Bullit and for the type of riding you do I think the FSR would be better. As far as brake jack you learn to ride around it. I can feel the rear of my bike flex a little if I rail it really hard into a corner. When I feel the rear tire start to break traction I can feel it.( that was just an added fact)
__________________
Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......
mtnbiker66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-06, 05:17 PM   #7
Karldar
SNIKT!
 
Karldar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Home for wayward mutants
Bikes: '06 Kona Dawg Deluxe/'06 Cannondale F400(frame)/'98 Cannondale SuperV1000
Posts: 1,560
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Didn't you get my PM this time? I still say the Enduro would be better suited to what you say you're going to be using it for. Plus, it's sweet! So there.
__________________
I like pie!
"The bright flicker of our television screens is the stolen incandescence of a thousand young minds." - Theodore W. Gray
"you taught us to fish while so many others were handing out tuna sandwiches" - Ziggurat
Karldar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-06, 06:57 PM   #8
pinkrobe
DNPAIMFB
 
pinkrobe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Cowtown, AB
Bikes: Titus El Guapo, Misfit diSSent, Cervelo Soloist Carbon, Wabi Lightning, et al.
Posts: 4,654
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Are you looking at the Stumpjumper Comp or the regular Stumpy? The women's small and the regular small don't differ that much in size - it's all in the toptube, which is a whopping 16mm bigger in the regular version. You might want to try it. Alternatively, all the FSR's have the same geometry. Ride a higher-end model to see if it fits, then order the lower end model. Easy peasy!
__________________
Proud Member of the HHCMF
'06 Cervelo Soloist Carbon | '09 Titus El Guapo | '09 Misfit diSSent | '09 Wabi Lightning
pinkrobe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-06, 07:11 PM   #9
lodi781
was kung-fu fighting
 
lodi781's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Connecticut
Bikes: '00 schwinn moab disk/06 specialized stumpy fsr expert, 06 look565
Posts: 72
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I've got and fsr expert and love it. My only complaint is the tires. Not to good in wet conditions.
lodi781 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-06, 07:15 PM   #10
Hambone40
It's all good!!!
 
Hambone40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Western North Carolina
Bikes: 2006 Stumpjumper, 2005 Hardrock Sigle Speed, 2002 Trek 2000 Road Bike, 2007 Stumpjumper Hardtail
Posts: 449
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by lodi781
I've got and fsr expert and love it. My only complaint is the tires. Not to good in wet conditions.

+1 on the tires. I ditched them as soon as got mine. GREAT bike.
Hambone40 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-06, 07:16 PM   #11
lodi781
was kung-fu fighting
 
lodi781's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Connecticut
Bikes: '00 schwinn moab disk/06 specialized stumpy fsr expert, 06 look565
Posts: 72
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone40
+1 on the tires. I ditched them as soon as got mine. GREAT bike.

what tires are you running? I'm looking for some new ones now...
lodi781 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-06, 07:24 PM   #12
Hambone40
It's all good!!!
 
Hambone40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Western North Carolina
Bikes: 2006 Stumpjumper, 2005 Hardrock Sigle Speed, 2002 Trek 2000 Road Bike, 2007 Stumpjumper Hardtail
Posts: 449
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by lodi781
what tires are you running? I'm looking for some new ones now...

Ritchey Moto Vaders's 2.4's.
Hambone40 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-06, 07:57 PM   #13
Girlscout13
Chillin' Chillin'
 
Girlscout13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: 828 hood
Bikes: kona stinky, voodoo
Posts: 141
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone40
Ritchey Moto Vaders's 2.4's.
Yeah hambone didn't you have some help picking those tires out?
Girlscout13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-06, 07:59 PM   #14
lodi781
was kung-fu fighting
 
lodi781's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Connecticut
Bikes: '00 schwinn moab disk/06 specialized stumpy fsr expert, 06 look565
Posts: 72
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
what kind of trails do you ride??
lodi781 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-06, 08:03 PM   #15
skiahh
Senior Member
 
skiahh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: CO Springs, CO
Bikes: 08 Stumpjumper FSR Expert, 02 Litespeed Tuscany, 04 Specialized S-Works Epic
Posts: 1,035
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I think you know my position on Stumpys/Specialized.

As for single pivot vs FSR/4 bar, I don't think there's a contest. When I was looking for my first FS I demo'd the Cannondale Jekyl (single pivot) and Spec Enduro (2000 model) and there really wasn't a choice. I bought the Enduro. When it broke, Specialized replaced it right away with an '02 Enduro which I didn't like as much so I sold that and got the Epic. Then they introduced this version of the Stumpy and I have to say if I was buying today, I'd probably wind up with the Stumpy over the Epic, but it'd be a close call.

Plus, I think the Stumpy weighs considerably less than the Heckler. Could be wrong about that, but I always thought the Heckler was a fairly porky bike.

If you can swing it, go for a Stumpy with the Brain. It's a big jump in price, though; what's your budget?
skiahh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-06, 08:47 PM   #16
Hambone40
It's all good!!!
 
Hambone40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Western North Carolina
Bikes: 2006 Stumpjumper, 2005 Hardrock Sigle Speed, 2002 Trek 2000 Road Bike, 2007 Stumpjumper Hardtail
Posts: 449
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Girlscout13
Yeah hambone didn't you have some help picking those tires out?

Yup.....my favorite girlscout picked them out for me. Good luck tomorrow in your race. Don't use the brakes...they will just slow you down. Tell pops to call me and let me know where you finish.
Hambone40 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-06, 12:55 AM   #17
Siu Blue Wind
Flowers for mom
Thread Starter
 
Siu Blue Wind's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 10,951
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 64 Post(s)
Well! Thank you everyone for all of your replies! I really did learn a lot from all of you. I really took a lot of your opinions to heart.

I no longer need this thread, for I now have a new bike.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddha
We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.
Quote:
Originally Posted by making View Post
Please dont outsmart the censor. That is a very expensive censor and every time one of you guys outsmart it it makes someone at the home office feel bad. We dont wanna do that. So dont cleverly disguise bad words.
Siu Blue Wind is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-06, 08:24 AM   #18
mtnbiker66
Old School Rad
 
mtnbiker66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: The old Mountains
Bikes: Blur LT
Posts: 8,212
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind
Well! Thank you everyone for all of your replies! I really did learn a lot from all of you. I really took a lot of your opinions to heart.

I no longer need this thread, for I now have a new bike.
You know the drill! PICS!!!!!!!!! Whats wrong with you?
__________________
Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......
mtnbiker66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-06, 08:43 AM   #19
cryptid01
one less horse
 
cryptid01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: East Jesus NY
Bikes: are better than yours
Posts: 5,600
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnbiker66
You know the drill! PICS!!!!!!!!! Whats wrong with you?
Check her sig.

What are you doing here? I thought you were going racing this weekend?
cryptid01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-06, 04:01 PM   #20
mtnbiker66
Old School Rad
 
mtnbiker66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: The old Mountains
Bikes: Blur LT
Posts: 8,212
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Her sig.....DUH! Girlscout decided he would rather just spend a long day in Pisgah instead of driving 3 hrs. He said he wasn't that jaced up to race this weekend.I saved some gas $$ and got the shred some good Pisgah trails.
__________________
Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......
mtnbiker66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-06, 04:34 PM   #21
Pheard
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: South City, Ca
Bikes:
Posts: 3,348
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Holy crap sbw!! nice bike!! holy crap!
Pheard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-06, 07:50 PM   #22
Karldar
SNIKT!
 
Karldar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Home for wayward mutants
Bikes: '06 Kona Dawg Deluxe/'06 Cannondale F400(frame)/'98 Cannondale SuperV1000
Posts: 1,560
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Okay, why did you put platforms on my bike? And why is it clean? Mine was dirty last I saw it....
__________________
I like pie!
"The bright flicker of our television screens is the stolen incandescence of a thousand young minds." - Theodore W. Gray
"you taught us to fish while so many others were handing out tuna sandwiches" - Ziggurat
Karldar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-06, 08:08 PM   #23
skiahh
Senior Member
 
skiahh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: CO Springs, CO
Bikes: 08 Stumpjumper FSR Expert, 02 Litespeed Tuscany, 04 Specialized S-Works Epic
Posts: 1,035
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Uhhhh... OK. Stumpy vs Heckler... and you wind up with a Kona?? Don't get me wrong - it's a great choice, but how did you get Kona out of all this advice??
skiahh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-06, 08:12 PM   #24
cryptid01
one less horse
 
cryptid01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: East Jesus NY
Bikes: are better than yours
Posts: 5,600
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karldar
Okay, why did you put platforms on my bike? And why is it clean? Mine was dirty last I saw it....
If that is indeed your bike, do you mind me asking what's up with the doilies on the back of the couch? Did you take this pic at your grandmomma's house?
cryptid01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-06, 08:15 PM   #25
mtnbiker66
Old School Rad
 
mtnbiker66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: The old Mountains
Bikes: Blur LT
Posts: 8,212
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gastro
If that is indeed your bike, do you mind me asking what's up with the doilies on the back of the couch? Did you take this pic at your grandmomma's house?
He likes to keep things neat while he's blasting Rob Zombie.
__________________
Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......
mtnbiker66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:25 PM.