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Old 08-31-06, 07:17 AM   #1
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Going hardcore old-school

Any riders out there lately been interested in doing LESS for your bike than more?

I get a strange pleasure out of taking my 35+ Gary Fisher MTB with rear rack and all up a big mountain and passing all the complex alloy bikes out there. I don't even have cages or clips on my pedals, and have the intro-level derailleur which requires a couple of cranks sometimes, but it still gets the job done.

I heard some folks are even trying to ride mtns nowadays with single-gear bikes!

Any hardcore folks out there?
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You are so hardcore you are my new hero.
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I want to get a 29er rigid singlespeed. Some old, some new, the best of both worlds!
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You couldn't get the thing back down the one of our mountains, but I could be wrong.
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I get a strange pleasure out of taking my 35+ Gary Fisher MTB with rear rack and all up a big mountain and passing all the complex alloy bikes out there. I don't even have cages or clips on my pedals, and have the intro-level derailleur which requires a couple of cranks sometimes, but it still gets the job done.
You should race - then you could prove how hardcore you are.
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Why do so many people get such enjoyment out of thinking they are better than everyone else?
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Why do so many people get such enjoyment out of thinking they are better than everyone else?
you'll get roughly two different responses to this question:

1) If I knew, I guess I'd be better than everyone else.

2) If you have to ask, then you *obviously* aren't better than everyone else

it's one of those hangups i've noticed across all sports that athletes have about "old vs. new" or also the appropriately rhymed "me vs. you"
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atleast he enjoys riding, the pompous @$$.

oh and agarose2000, steel happens to be an alloy, sorry to burst your bubble, maybe you're referring to aluminum alloys, maybe... maybe... who cares
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Because that's the spirit of competition.
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Because that's the spirit of competition.
I thought having fun was the spirit of competition. Shows what I know, not alot
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....becuse I am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All bow to '66 and the NC crew!
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I heard some folks are even trying to ride mtns nowadays with single-gear bikes!
You've been out of the loop for a while, haven't you?

Single-gear mountain biking has been common for nearly the past ten years.
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Because that's the spirit of competition.
i wouldn't say the spirit of competition is to boast at how much better you are, i would say it comes down to proving your skills, having fun doing it, and supporting your competitors. that sportsmanship and competition in my book
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Wow. Looks like everyone seemed to read into it that I was really competitive and thinking I was the greatest biker ever. Not true! Granted, I do get satisfaction from passing the pricey bikes out there on the uphills, but I'll be the first to admit that I get passed as well by bikes that aren't so pricey either. I don't even ride competitively, even with my friends - my favorite rides are the hard climbs where you get into that zen state where nobody's around and you're totally focused on the mountain.

I guess I'm more into the fitness part than the hardware part - I just seem to hear a LOT more about the gear and a lot less about the human end and I have a different approach that is vice versa.

Anyway, just wanted to hear if anyone was NOTinto really upgrading the heck out of their mtn bike more than anything else - it seems that the $$$ keep creeping higher and higher with each upgrade - is it all necessary? Does anybody actually use a HEAVIER bike on purpose for a better workout? For me, that would definitely fall into "hardcore!"

Keep it real y'all and keep on riding. And yes, you're probably all faster and more hardcore than me. I admit it!
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No no no. That was ME you passed on the hill. Me - the one with the FS aluminum Kona that was on the ground wheezing on the side of the trail in the middle of a real bad asthma attack while my freshly cut knee was glistening in the sun. The one you glanced at, smirked and tipped your helmet to. Yep. I remember you. You kicked my butt up that hill with your simple but bad ass steel bike. You, go boyfriend.















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it isn't about upgrading the crap out f your bike, it's about buying high quality parts, that are going to be reliable and are going to last and be able to stand up to the beating i put on `em, it's a state of mind thing, if you have quality parts, theres that much less to worry about on your mind as your going to jump a gap, or hit a 6 footer, or attempt to manipulate some north shore plank trails, or hit a sketchy section of trail you've never ventured down before, you want as little worries on your mind as you need and when you have the higher end products, for me atleast, it takes that worry of mechanical failure out of the equation, then I know if something goes wrong, it's me
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it isn't about upgrading the crap out f your bike, it's about buying high quality parts, that are going to be reliable and are going to last and be able to stand up to the beating i put on `em, it's a state of mind thing, if you have quality parts, theres that much less to worry about on your mind as your going to jump a gap, or hit a 6 footer, or attempt to manipulate some north shore plank trails, or hit a sketchy section of trail you've never ventured down before, you want as little worries on your mind as you need and when you have the higher end products, for me atleast, it takes that worry of mechanical failure out of the equation, then I know if something goes wrong, it's me
Good point. But if you do have "so so" components and you break something on that gnarly trail (assuming you are okay, and you don't have to walk out 5 miles) it sure makes me feel better about upgrading. Right now, I want a new fork, but I hate spending money, so I'm gonna wait for mine to internally combust (it's a Manitou, it's bound to happen), then I will feel okay about dropping down some money
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Competition is seeing who's better the other. A lot of the times it's fun, but there's a thing called bragging rights and the only reason we're having this conversation is because you're letting that get to you.

Just blow it off.
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Competition is seeing who's better the other. A lot of the times it's fun, but there's a thing called bragging rights and the only reason we're having this conversation is because you're letting that get to you.

Just blow it off.
I don't even care what the spirit of competition is, I don't race nor never will. Some people are in it for the fun, some for the experience, and some because they want to prove they are better than others. Either way, the end result should be FUN.
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So for all this hot talk between who's hardcore, who's not, who's competitive, who's not, and who can kick who and who's butt, the answer so far seems to be:

NOBODY out there uses a heavier bike, or even downgrades parts (like clipless back to clips). At least so far!


Point well taken about hardware longevity, though. Makes a lot of sense.
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NOBODY out there uses a heavier bike, or even downgrades parts (like clipless back to clips). At least so far!
You know why nobody does that? Because it is idiotic. Why would you downgrade components or frames? Just to say you are "hardcore"? Replace "hardcore" with "********" and you may have a point. I upgrade stuff because I like spending money and having nice things. When it comes down to it, it isn't the bike, it's the rider. I'm not gonna ride a huffy and pass people so I can point and mock them when I beat them up a hill tho, why would you do that?
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Not necessarily so regarding the downgrading.

I ride a MUCH heavier bike now than I did 5 years ago. I got tired of breaking my lightweight XC bikes. Since I'm a Clydesdale rider, I'm grateful the the Freeride movement has sparked manufacturer's into producing stronger (i.e. heavier) components and frames.

My pedal preference has also switched back to platforms from clipless.

In addition, I use to think that XTR was the cat's meow, but now feel that it's overpriced and not necessary.
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Who ever said being hardcore, old school = riding a crappy bike and downgrading components. If you go old school, buy the absolute best old school parts you can find.. most likely these will be the only ones left anyway.
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Good point. But if you do have "so so" components and you break something on that gnarly trail (assuming you are okay, and you don't have to walk out 5 miles) it sure makes me feel better about upgrading. Right now, I want a new fork, but I hate spending money, so I'm gonna wait for mine to internally combust (it's a Manitou, it's bound to happen), then I will feel okay about dropping down some money

i'm the opposite, I don't mind spending money if it's on a good part with a reputation, I'd rather be able to ride and ride and ride and not have down time due to something I could've preventatively replaced
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