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Old 09-22-06, 01:36 PM   #1
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Kona Hardtails

so, Does the new kona hard tail design/frame better than their previous frame/design. by better, I mean better for cross country riding. I own a Kona 05 Cinder Cone, but I like the looks of the new 06 frames. Although they have down graded the specs. on this line quite substentially. but, if you just compare frame to frame, are post 06 frame better than the pre 06 frame.

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Old 09-30-06, 01:36 PM   #2
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I wouldn't say that they are.
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Konas are over priced thats all i have to say

overpriced?! I paid $1800 for my Dawg Deluxe. Find a bike with a similar level of components (all Deore and XT, Fox FLOAT R rear shock, Marzocchi GrandFondo 1 fork, hydraulic disc brakes by Hayes, etc etc) and see how much it will cost you if its made by TREK or SPECIALIZED.


Kona bikes always come with a very high standard of components for the price.
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All I know is my hand made Kona Hot is God's gift to hardtails.

Although I ride mostly road nowadays, I laugh everytime I hit the trails and all these newer riders, who have never ridden a hardtail, no absolutely nothing about finesse on the trail. Slam, slam, slam is all they do bashing their way around brain dead thinking the frame will handle it. In the end they're always slower on cross country trails. There is something magical about glacefully flicking a light steel hardtail around the trail that instinctively goes around, over, and through the obstacles, and lays down all the power from the crank.

Full suspension is incredible, but for pure cross country trail riding nothing beats a steel hardtail - a Kona hardtail.
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Old 09-30-06, 03:03 PM   #5
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All I know is my hand made Kona Hot is God's gift to hardtails.

Although I ride mostly road nowadays, I laugh everytime I hit the trails and all these newer riders, who have never ridden a hardtail, no absolutely nothing about finesse on the trail. Slam, slam, slam is all they do bashing their way around brain dead thinking the frame will handle it. In the end they're always slower on cross country trails. There is something magical about glacefully flicking a light steel hardtail around the trail that instinctively goes around, over, and through the obstacles, and lays down all the power from the crank.

Full suspension is incredible, but for pure cross country trail riding nothing beats a steel hardtail - a Kona hardtail.
Sounds a bit like a marketing scheme at the end there.
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Konas are over priced thats all i have to say
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Old 09-30-06, 06:35 PM   #7
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overpriced?! I paid $1800 for my Dawg Deluxe. Find a bike with a similar level of components (all Deore and XT, Fox FLOAT R rear shock, Marzocchi GrandFondo 1 fork, hydraulic disc brakes by Hayes, etc etc) and see how much it will cost you if its made by TREK or SPECIALIZED.


Kona bikes always come with a very high standard of components for the price.
I just did alittle research in the Hardtail area in the price range of my Trek 6500 brand new with stock components and here, and this Kona is actually 30 dollars cheaper than the Trek. I think that there pretty competetively priced Kona Caldera msrp $899.00

Frame sizes 14", 16", 17", 18", 19", 20", 22"
Frame tubing Kona 7005 Aluminum Butted All Mountain
Fork Marzocchi MZ-2 100mm
Headset Aheadset STS
Crankarms TruVativ Blaze ISIS
Chainrings 44/32/22
B/B TruVativ ISIS
Pedals Shimano PD-M505 Clipless
Chain Shimano HG53
Freewheel Shimano Deore CS-HG50 11-32 9 speed
F/D Shimano Deore
R/D Shimano Deore XT
Shifters Shimano Deore
Handlebar WTB CXC Riser
Stem WTB CXC
Grips Kona Jack****
Brakes Hayes Hydraulic HFX-9 XC

Brake Levers Hayes Hydraulic HFX-9 XC

Front hub KK Disc
Rear hub Shimano FH-M475 disc
Spokes Stainless 15g fr & 14g rr

Tires Nokian NBT 26 x 2.1
Rims Sun Black Eye
Saddle WTB Pure V Sport
Seatpost WTB CXC
Seat clamp Kona QR
Color Gold


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Sizes 15.5, 17.5, 19.5, 21.5"
Frame Alpha SLR Aluminum
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Tires Bontrager Jones ACX, 26x2.1", 27 tpi
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Front Derailleur Shimano Deore
Rear Derailleur Shimano Deore LX
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Pedals Shimano 505, clipless
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Seat Post Bontrager Sport
Handlebars Bontrager Select, 25mm rise, 31.8mm
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The kona has better:

Fork
cassette
saddle
Brakes
RD
Tires

yeah, i'd say the Kona is DEFINATLY not overpriced. If anything, the TREK is the overpriced bike in that comparison being as it uses components that are lower-grade and is a more expensive bike.
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I guess they changed it alittle because mine actually came with an xt rd and deore fd and camino rims with shimano hubs. In my opinion the axel fork was about as bad as it could be. It lived up to my expectations though and lasted a good 10 minutes. I think I'm gonna sell it and get a tora as a backup fork. With these two loadouts I would have to say that the caldera is better bang for the buck then.
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Konas are over priced thats all i have to say
Name something in this sport / hobby that isn't over priced.
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isnt that the truth lol. Just to build a decent bike on a budget I could afford I had to rummage through last years parts bin
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Old 10-01-06, 01:22 PM   #12
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Depends... you can buy a decent '06 Kona for a good price right now, as the '07s are coming in.
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Old 10-01-06, 02:17 PM   #13
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Konas are over priced thats all i have to say
Don't think they are for the quality of bike. And just put that cost over a 10 year period- which is how old my Explosif is- for a bike that rides better than most of todays equivalents.
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I found konas in my price range to be more expensive than the competition. I ended up with the specialized because its comfy, and as an added bonus had a much better fork. Im not at all impressed with the MZ-2 or MZ-3. Marz or not, i think those 2 particular forks are junk.
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Got my 06 Kona Hoss Deluxe for $1250 AUD rrp $1699 AUD ,bike is awesome and would recommend Kona to anyone .
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"isnt that the truth lol. Just to build a decent bike on a budget I could afford I had to rummage through last years parts bin"

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