just a quick rant 'cos I'm looking for a pair of womens trousers that I can mountain bike in that aren't lycra or skin tight. It seems unfair that you guys have a range of good looking riding styles to strutt your stuff in. Before anyone tells me to wear guys pants, I've tried it and end up with the crotch stuck on the saddle. So do any of you women bikers know of any good brands that I can try for the comming winter. I live in the UK so it may be that you US gals have some better brands you can recommend. Please help as I cant face havin my butt hanging out of a pair of lycra pants all winter.