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Old 10-02-06, 11:19 PM   #1
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Best fork i've ever seen!!



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laugh all you want, but there are still a lot of us around that really lusted after that thing about 12 years ago. RS Mag21 SL ti anyone?
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Old 10-03-06, 01:56 AM   #3
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It doesn't seem that long ago when the fork of choice was a RS Judy with relatively new elastomer technology... then Pro-Flex made a whole line of dual-suspension bikes (very short travel, like an inch or two) just using elastomers.
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Old 10-03-06, 07:04 AM   #4
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I wouldn't even state that as a suspension fork. The travel is like less then 20mm, its useless.
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laugh all you want, but there are still a lot of us around that really lusted after that thing about 12 years ago.
I can honestly say I never lusted after an elastomer fork.



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RS Mag21 SL ti anyone?


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Haha gastro, that comparison picture rocks.
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what does the shock in the ebay listing have to do with a mag21 sl anyway?
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Old 10-03-06, 09:56 AM   #8
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RS Mag21 SL ti anyone?
I had one on my Yeti ARC, it was the best fork made back then.
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My quadra 5 has 20mm of travel

Guess that's why I now have 5 inches of travel for the trek. 20mm travel might aswell be no travel.
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nice Gastro!

Mcoine, I was just pointing out that what is considered total crap today (the mag21), was hot **** just a decade ago. I was in sixth or seventh grade when the SLti came out, gripshifters just hit the market, and the Tomac/Overend debate was the hot ticket. With a grade school budget, that tioga fork looked pretty sweet to me.
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nice Gastro!

Mcoine, I was just pointing out that what is considered total crap today (the mag21), was hot **** just a decade ago. I was in sixth or seventh grade when the SLti came out, gripshifters just hit the market, and the Tomac/Overend debate was the hot ticket. With a grade school budget, that tioga fork looked pretty sweet to me.
Oh.. I was in college when the mag21 came out, knew a few people that had them, but they were sloppy compared to my rigid fork, plus I had little money.
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Elastomer used to be top of the line a long time ago. Back then, the sping forks broke a lot and had very little damping.
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I have a fork with 70 mm of travel and it doesn't feel like suspension at all. Bottoms out off of everything...and I love it. Rigid soon.
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Elastomer used to be top of the line a long time ago. Back then, the sping forks broke a lot and had very little damping.
I don't remember that. Could you give an example of a top of the line elastomer fork?
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I don't remember that. Could you give an example of a top of the line elastomer fork?
Manitou I,II,III + Judy SL, they were all top of the line forks in the early 90's
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Nothing wrong with the Mag 21. It was sooo much better than any of the elastomer forks of the day. And other than travel and rigidity issues, it's still a decent fork by todays standards.

Air sprung, oil damped, externally adjustable low speed compression damping, internally adjustable high speed compression damping, internal high and low speed rebound damping, compression free-bleed porting...... very tunable.

I'm still running a Mag on my single speed.

My current Mag 21 setup:

Top out sleeves shortened to allow 70mm of travel

Compression free bleeds enlarged to .065 x2

High speed compression piston shimmed to 1.0mm

Rebound plate ported to .040

2.5wt Redline suspension fluid

40mm oil height, about 38 psi


The Mag 21 is still a great fork if you understand suspension tuning.
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Manitou I,II,III + Judy SL, they were all top of the line forks in the early 90's
Oh yeah, I forgot about the old Answers. I remember the bike that had those dampers as seatstays.

Judy's don't count - they were more like mid 90's, and newer than the Mags.
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Manitou I,II,III + Judy SL, they were all top of the line forks in the early 90's
I owned a Manitou 3 in 1994. It sure did look cool, and I wish it had worked nearly as good as it looked. They were marketed as high end, but were nothing more than a children's toy compared to the Rock Shox Mag series.
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Thats pretty old school.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the old Answers. I remember the bike that had those dampers as seatstays.

Judy's don't count - they were more like mid 90's, and newer than the Mags.
Don't forget the old Halson Inversion fork and the linkage forks from Givin/Pro-Flex/K2.
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I still have my steel framed 91? performance pulse that I took out a loan to pay the $550 (fully Rigid, SunTour components)! The next spring the Answer Manitou II came out & I stepped up & paid $325 for that "upgrade". I wear glasses & when the bike was fully rigid I couldn't see going downhill because my glasses were bouncing all over the place & the fork actually made a difference in gaining some stability/vision. Ahhhhhhhh memories!
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Don't forget the old Halson Inversion fork and the linkage forks from Givin/Pro-Flex/K2.
Well, I had been trying...
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I had a manitou II back in the day. Funny fork. Didn't have a bottom out stop, it just relied on the elastomers getting compressed as much as they could. If you did a took a big enough hit with it, the tire would hit the underside of the crown-nice engineering. The thing had two tiny teflon or nylon rings for bushings, and it was so poorly sealed that one ride in the muck pretty much trashed the fork.

It was really cool looking with all the CNC millwork on the aluminum crown and brake arch, but it was not much in the way of suspension, by today's standards. The RS mag 21 was a way better fork-especially if you played around with the travel, oil viscosity, and oil volume.
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