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Old 03-27-03, 03:39 PM   #1
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I need to decide!!!! rockhopper vs. rainier vs. warp

I don't have a lot of money and I want a bike now!
I need it for cross country.
My options are:
- Specialized Rockhopper
- Giant Rainier
- Giant Warp DS 2
- Giant DS 3

I can upgrade a few parts later on. But now, that is what I can afford.
What would you guys suggest?
Anyone of them that I should avoid?
Any other bike in the same price range?

I appreciate your help.

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Old 03-27-03, 04:25 PM   #2
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You looking to do more XC type riding? You would want to stay away from the Giant DS lineup. I had experience with one of last year's models and it was heavy with a poor suspension setup. this year's models in the LBS aren't specced particularly well either. I would choose between the Rockhopper and the Rainier. In the price range of the bikes you listed, you won't find a worthwhile suspension bike. The only one getting somewhat favorable reviews recently was one of the Dakar line of bikes from Jamis, but there were complaints about that one also. I'd stick with a hardtail no matter what bike you buy. My short rides on a Rainier impressed me, as did the parts spec. I have no experience with the Rockhopper other than seeing a few. I haven't ridden a real recent model. I can suggest the Rainier (I'm familiar with last year's model) from my experience. Member Middi-Zon rides a last-year's-model Rainier and he might be able to give you a better impression based on a season of riding and racing with it. There was a thread here lately about bikes in this price range-it might be worth a search of the forums. There are also many specialized fans here who could commment on those better than myself. Good luck in the search! And remember, the frame and fit are the most important factors-even over parts spec to begin with. You can upgrade later.

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Old 03-27-03, 04:38 PM   #3
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Thanks Moabrider!!
I expect more feedback from others....
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My cous just bought a ds and it is fine for xc. Even light hits (2 to 3 ft). Its a fine bike. To be honest I have never seen or ridden and ranier so can't offer an opinion.
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the rockhopper is a tried and true performer
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STAY AWAY FROM THE WARP!!!!!!! I had a DS 3 for a month and hated it, it was heavy, the components were low quality, and it was a pain ot put on a bike rack (I did get my 1st and only win on it, but it was a pretty sad field of competitors). I eBayed it, and bought a rainier and I couldn't be happier. It has a great frame, the parts are good, good bike to slowly upgrade. The tires and seat have to go as soon as it leaves the showroom, though. If you can find an '02, but that, their cheaper, better, and much cooler looking than the new ones. Good Luck!

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Old 03-27-03, 06:14 PM   #8
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Tfunk, I am talking about the rockhopper (standard), not the comp. Do you still keep what you said?

Miidi-zon, what about the DS2?
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All 2003 rockhoppers have the same frame which by the way is the 2002 stumpjumper frame. Can you really ask for more? Yes the standard rockhopper is the best way to go. I am the happy owner of one which i have almost completely upgraded to full XT with discs and raceface accessories. A trully awesome aggro xc frame.
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skuba,

I ride with Middi-Zon. His speed and riding technique improved greatly as soon as he got rid of the Warp. The DS2 is pretty much the same bike. Stay away from the line, or nearly any full-suspension in that price range.

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math2p14- how did you know that the rockhopper is the old stumpy?

skuba- yeah, the rockhopper is a performer even the standard version. not to say that the rainier isn't a performer though.
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LAST CHANCE TO DECIDE...
ROCKHOPPER OR RAINIER
Please help...
Please see specs below:

>>> ROCKHOPPER SPECS

FRAME A1 Premium Aluminum, double butted front triangle, disc mounts, replaceable derailleur hanger, rack eyelets

FORK Manitou Axel Comp, 80mm travel, coil spring, Fluid Flow damping, steel steerer tube

HEADSET 1 1/8" threadless, black steel cups, loose ball bearings w/ seals

STEM Aluminum, 10 degree rise, TIG welded, black

HANDLEBARS XC mid rise bar, 6061 alloy, 6 degrees upsweep, 9 degrees backsweep, 590mm width

TAPE / GRIPS Specialized MTB grip, black, double density Kraton

FRONT BRAKE Tektro linear pull

REAR BRAKE Tektro linear pull

BRAKE LEVERS Shimano Alivio linear pull shifter/brake combo

FRONT DERAILLEUR Shimano MC-18 Alivio, 34.9mm clamp, bottom pull

REAR DERAILLEUR Shimano M-510 Deore

SHIFT LEVERS Shimano Alivio linear pull shifter/brake combo

CASSETTE Shimano HG-50 LX, 8-speed, 11x30t

CHAIN Shimano IG-31

CRANKSET Specialized Strongarm II, square taper

CHAINRINGS 44Sx32Sx22S, 4 bolt, 104/64mm pattern, steel chainring bolts

BOTTOM BRACKET Truvativ sealed cartridge, 68mm shell, 113mm spindle

PEDALS 1 piece alloy platform pedals, clips and straps, silver

RIMS Alex DM-20, 26", machined sidewalls, black

FRONT HUB 32 hole, loose ball bearings, alloy Q/R

REAR HUB 32 hole, loose ball bearings, alloy Q/R

SPOKES 1.8mm (15g) black stainless, brass nipples, L266/R266mm front, L265/R264mm rear

FRONT TIRE Specialized Roll-X 26 x 2.0", Steel bead

REAR TIRE Specialized Roll-X 26 x 2.0", Steel bead

TUBES Specialized, schraeder valve

SADDLE Specialized Body Geometry technology, steel rails

SEAT POST Alloy, black, 30.9 x 350/400mm

SEAT BINDER Alloy collar with Q/R, 34.9mm clamp I.D., black

NOTES Chain stay/seat stay protector, derailleur protector, reflectors, owners manual


>>> RAINIER SPECS
color Team Blue
features 14", 17", 19", 21"
frame Supersized ALUXX butted aluminum, XTC geometry, Integrated Headset, Disc brake mount
fork Manitou Axle Super, 3.1" travel
derailleur Front: Shimano Deore, Rear: Shimano Deore LX
derailleurshifters Shimano Deore, 9-speed
cranks Giant, 22/32/42T
pedals Shimano M505 Clipless
handlebar Alloy 1.25" riser
stem Giant 1 1/8 Ahead
headset Integrated Ahead 1 1/8
brakes Avid CPS Disc, 6" rotors
saddle Giant Groove, Dual density MTB, Kevlar bumpers
seatpost Alloy micro-adjust, 30.8mm, QR Seat lever
rims Weinmann ZAC 19, black, doublewall, 32H
hubs Shimano disc, 32H, cassette
tires Hutchinson Mosquito, 26x2.0
cassette SRAM 7.0, 11-34T, 9-speed
spokes Stainless steel 14G
additional Chainguard



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I simply compared the frames side by side. The tubing design and the geometry is EXACTLY the same...the only difference between the RH and the SJ is in the alloy mixture used for the tubes. OTherwise 2003 RH is same frame as 2002 SJ.
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skuba- the rainier is spec'ed better than the rockhopper.

math2p14- oh i see that you meant the geometry and tubing, not the material. this has been true in the past i assume?
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I prefer the specialized. I commute on a P1 and was considering the Hardrock Pro Disc before I bought it. the roller 2.3 inch tires are amazing. The bike looks heavy but is light and strong. I like the specialized frames better. Giant is a good bike also, ride them both.
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if you're looking at specs alone the rainer is definately the better bike, especially with the avid mechanicals vs Tektro V-Brakes
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Either is a good bike. Which one is more comfortable for you? Get that one! You'll ride it more if you're more comfy!

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Some of the big differences are:
- Rockhopper is 8 speed while Rainier is 9
- Rainier comes with disc brakes while Rockhopper doesn't
- The fork on Rockhopper is the Axel Comp (steel) and on Rainier is Axel Super (Alum.)
- Rainier comes with shimano clipless pedals

WHat you guys think?
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Don't mean squat if you're not comfortable on it!

Test ride them, get the one you're most comfy on! Regardless of price or components!
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skuba,

component-wise, the Rainier is definitely a better value based on the short list you posted above. But like a2psylnut said, fit is the most important. Concentrate on that aspect first. If you like both or the Rainier fits better, go for that one. If not, go with other, as long as it fits well.

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I can get both for the same price. So, which one to get?
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Which one is a better ride for you? If both are equal then pick on coolness...if both are still equal go for the ranier (moab says it has better parts so I believe him)
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I never rode any of them.
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ride them...thats the key...
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You have gotten good advice already, I'll second the vote for the rainier, better fork, brakes, shifters, deraileurs, plus shimano clipless. If it fits and is comfortable, sounds like a deal....tom
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