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Old 10-20-06, 09:34 AM   #1
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Spokes - Wheels question

I was wondering, what you guys think if I ask my dealer to arrange my spokes, 3cross n radial spokes style? 3/2 cross on the disc brake style of the wheel and radial on the other side?

My height is 170+ cm and my weight is 55kg and I ride XC and Light Trails

I dont think it will be a issue but do you guys think its a good idea to make my wheels 3/2 Cross on the disc brake side and Radial style on the left side (non disc side)?

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Oh yeah almost forget I can use any hubs to make a radial style right and can I reduce the number of spokes with radial style?

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Old 10-20-06, 10:12 AM   #2
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I was wondering, what you guys think if I ask my dealer to arrange my spokes, 3cross n radial spokes style? 3/2 cross on the disc brake style of the wheel and radial on the other side?

My height is 170+ cm and my weight is 55kg and I ride XC and Light Trails

I dont think it will be a issue but do you guys think its a good idea to make my wheels 3/2 Cross on the disc brake side and Radial style on the left side (non disc side)?

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Oh yeah almost forget I can use any hubs to make a radial style right and can I reduce the number of spokes with radial style?
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as far as i know you cannot necessarily use any hub with radial lacing. some flanges are not thick enough. now, will it probably work...yeah. might it break? ...yeah. but you're a feather weight claiming light use...so i doubt it.

you cannot change these patterns you speak of without changing spoke lengths. you know this....right? you will need new spokes.
you can't just re-lace in new patterns with the same spokes.

also...why do you want to do this? are you using 32/36h hubs? generally people use 3x pattern. 28h with maybe a 2x pattern.

but why are you trying to get all funky with the lacing? do you even know the theory behind what you propose? have you calculated the amount of weight you'd save by radially lacing ONE side???

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There is really no good reason to do what you want to do. Weight savings will be minimal and the loss of durability will be significant.
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but it will look cool, anyway radial pattern is strong but you must make sure your flanges is thick enough like mx says. Hmm maybe im going to try the crow pattern haha,

Front Wheel - Disc Side -> 3x pattern, Non Disc Side -> Radial pattern,
Rear Wheel - Disc Side -> 3x pattern, Non Disc Side -> 2x Pattern or crow pattern

Im a weight weenie on the budget side, haha
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but it will look cool
How cool will it look when your fancy wheel buckles under hard braking and sends you ass over teakettle?

For disc brakes, mountain bikes, and rear wheels I won't use anything but 28/32/36-hole 3X. This eliminates a lot of "boutique" wheel manufacturers and leaves me building a lot of my own wheelsets. Maybe I'll use DT Revos and alloy nipples on the front and non-drive side of a race wheelset but even then they will be 3X. Radial lacing is for road use only and that doesn't include cyclocross, commuting, or touring. My limited experience has taught me that the heavier deep section rim you need to get by with 20/24 spokes generally costs you 2-3 times as much speed as the extra 40-50g worth of spokes anyway.
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Here is a wheelbuilding web site that has info about these patterns:

http://www.geocities.com/spokeanwheel/lacingcl.htm#3rm

I see it has 3/radial, but not a 3/2. It does have a 4/2.

Also read this page of his caveats about odd lacing patterns:
http://www.geocities.com/spokeanwheel/lacinglp.htm

EDIT = Here's 2/3:
http://www.geocities.com/spokeanwheel/lacingsr.htm#23
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ok, so practically its best to own a stiffer spokes pattern then a lightweight one right? Does stiffer spokes aid your cycling speed? Because then the rim will be stiffer right?
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Go 3 cross both sides. Radially lacing some hubs will void the warranty...
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ok, so practically its best to own a stiffer spokes pattern then a lightweight one right? Does stiffer spokes aid your cycling speed? Because then the rim will be stiffer right?
Not neccessarily. It's gonna last you longer, won't come out of true as often, and less chance of breaking a spoke.
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Never run radial spokes pattern on disc wheels.
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yeah that what i forgot about radial spokes, Im thinking of putting it onto my rear wheel then I remembered, its a RD on the right and Discs on the left. Anyway im thinking of using the half crow pattern.
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WOW, I wish I was so fast I had to worry about things like this!!!! I just ride my wheels the way they come.
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sorry if some of you guys feel offended, Im just looking into alternatives to make me erm faster.

Today I cycled about 6km in 20 mins, around my area, everthing i think is balance, flat road, up and downs. I improved by 10 mins ^^
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I don't think anyone's offended. I think most of us are just amazed at how many changes you want to make to a bike that you don't even own yet. You are getting a great bike. Why not wait until you receive the bike and then decide what, if anything needs to be changed.
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well ok then, its just to cool down my temptation of waiting for the new bike, haha. Maybe I forget about the spokes stuffs because most likely the dealer here only bring in 1 spoke size only. So no point unless ill built it my self which i will do in the future

Anyway if my bike come with 06 Shimano XT I will surely change to SRAM X.9RD and X.0 gripshift. Not sure if its a 07 Shimano though, haha
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ok, so practically its best to own a stiffer spokes pattern then a lightweight one right?
3X spoking patterns offer a dramatic torsional advantage over radial patterns. 3X wheels do not "wind up" like a clock spring and then release the "wound up" energy when the torsional forces are lessened. Rear wheels with 3X on both sides accelerate better than those where 4-6 grams have been saved with radial lacing on one side. Disc brake wheels suffer the same fate in reverse.

The repeated storing and releasing of energy also fatigues the spokes. It's not unheard of for a seriously fatigued wheel to lose several spokes in rapid succession. I've seen more than one questionably built wheel suddenly lose a few spokes in only 5-10 miles. I don't know about you, but I'm not about to trust a disc brake wheel that has "all of a sudden" lost 3 adjacent spokes on the same side.
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good point, haha
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Why not wait until you receive the bike and then decide what, if anything needs to be changed.

Wow. Thats some interesting thinking you have going on there.

Before I buy a new bike, I buy replacement parts for components that people on the internet and magazines tell me won't perform well. Then, before I ride it and post the picture of it online, I replace those crappy OEM parts with blingdacious upgrades.

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haha, interesting ideology
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Wow. Thats some interesting thinking you have going on there.

Before I buy a new bike, I buy replacement parts for components that people on the internet and magazines tell me won't perform well. Then, before I ride it and post the picture of it online, I replace those crappy OEM parts with blingdacious upgrades.

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LOL, well if you went by that (what people on the internet say won't perform well) it would be impossible to have a decent bike. No matter what parts you run there is going to be someone on the internet saying they are crap. However, the majority of the people that say parts are crap either have no experience with those parts or used them improperly.
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Wheelhot, you seem like a nice guy. But i think you spend too much time reading about bikes, and not enough time on them.

Just relax, the bike you say you're getting rocks hard....just ride it and enjoy it for what it is. Worry about upgrades as you break stuff/outgrow stuff.
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Wheelhot, you seem like a nice guy. But i think you spend too much time reading about bikes, and not enough time on them.

Just relax, the bike you say you're getting rocks hard....just ride it and enjoy it for what it is. Worry about upgrades as you break stuff/outgrow stuff.
Very well said!
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thanks, I practically I cycle everyday and my Giant Anthem hasnt arrive yet. Noooooooooooooooooooo
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