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    FRAMES: KHS Alite Team 06 vs Kona Caldera 05 vs Giant XTC

    Hi guys..

    I was hoping somebody from here would help me decide if what among the 2 frames should I buy...

    I already have a 05 Kona Caldera frame so I already know how a bit heavy it is.. But then 2 people recently offered me their brand new frames for sale (xmas gifts most likely) and at very cheap prices..

    Ive read about the Alite Team 06 from KHS is a very light frame but then I also heard positive stuff from other bikers about the Giant XTC Team frame (the non composite type).

    The 2 frames are definitely lighter but are both better than a Kona Caldera frame? And if so.. W/c among the 2 is better??

    The kind of biking I do is mostly long uphill climbs (on the cement road) and then taking a very long yet somewhat mild downhill trail route all the way down... And it's kind of like a long ride since I usually start climbing at 6am and reach the bottom by around 2-3pm. Oh and sometimes I try to do a few bunny hops once in a while.

    So dudes w/c one is the better frame? The Alite Team or the Giant XTC Team?? Should I just stick w/ my Caldera? BTW this is my first post. Thanks to anybody who replies.

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    I 'm also interested in what everyones thoughts are on the Giant XTC aluminum hardtail frame. I can get a new Giant XTC hardtail or Kona Kikapu Deluxe FS frame for the same price and I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger. Hardtail or FS, hardtail or FS, hardtail or FS.............

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    Whew I thought my questions were already answered by somebody hehe

    @jimbud
    i tried climbing uphill on a FS bike and it wasnt really a comfortable feeling for me. it was more tiring.. I guess it was bcoz der was no lockout in both suspensions w/c made it harder for me to pedal. Instead of fully transferring my power to d pedals d suspensions absorbed some of it.

    FS or HT?? how about considering a soft tail dude?? the cannondale scalpel can climb as well as absorb nasty bumps. a bit expensive though..

    Anyway help us here guys.. please.

    Giant XTC or..
    KONA Caldera or..
    KHS Alite Team or...
    a Full Sus bike??

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    if you want a full sus bike, Kona Kikapu is okay. If you ask me to choose between a Giant XTC and KHS, I choose Giant because their XTC model has been around for a couple of years already.

    Hardtail or Full-Sus, now this is a question you need to ask your self :
    Do you cycle in a area where there are a lot of rocky trails?
    Do you cycle for a couple of hours?
    How do you pedal? You smashed the pedal or you spin the pedal to cycle?

    Okay if its yes to all of it, most likely you will be happy with a full sus bike more then a hardtail, if its no for rocky trails and yes for a couple of hours, maybe you will benefit of having a full sus, well the 3rd question is kinda unique, if you the kind of person who smash their pedals while cycling, you would be better off a hardtail till you learn to spin your pedal properly or you could get yourself a shock with a lockout function and pedal uphill like a hardtail.

    No matter what full sus bike you buy, if your pedalling technique is smashing the pedals, you will cause your bike to bob. But, if you already good at spinning and your bike bobs, its either very low air pressure or your bike suspension is wrongly configured or it just sucks (applies to super cheap full sussers)

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    Thanks for the info Wheelhot. Any thoughts on the Giant XTC aluminum frame. Is this model considered lightweight? I know it's mostly marketed in Asia. I like the look of the frame and in all reality here in Minnesota a hard tail should be great for the XC riding that I do.

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    well XTC is a racing frame, so it SHOULD be light. I believe Giant bikes produced in USA has a better quality then Asia

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    The KHS A-lite has been around a long time also, I love the XTC, the geometry is perfect for me, cornering is effortless, it trails better than any bike I have ever owned. The one down side to it is it's extremely low bottom bracket. (a full inch lower than my F/S race bike ) The very thing that helps it track and trail sooooo great is the thing that makes the big chainring snag on every log crossing.

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    maybe KHS A-lite has been around for a long time, but the numbers of riders who used XTC is far more then KHS

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    maybe KHS A-lite has been around for a long time, but the numbers of riders who used XTC is far more then KHS
    Have you ever used one?

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    I'm waiting on an fully paid for xtc2 right now. I brought it based on many similar comments like born2bahick's. I also hear the frame is extremly light for its price bracket, thus can be built up to be a very, very light bike.

    Go with the xtc, mostly because I don't know anything about the other
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    I tried one, and its nothing to comment about

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    I tried one, and its nothing to comment about
    Tried which?

    IMO For the money I've found this Giant Hardtail has very good reviews.

    Last edited by jimbud; 01-07-07 at 09:47 AM.

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    KHS frame, tried it before, nothing special though

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    I used to have the A-lite 500, was i great bike. no where near as nice as the team version he is talking about. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. I wouldn't count it out because of the argument that more people ride XTC's. Might be that Giant has more retail outlets across the globe, allowing them to sell more product. I would never go so far as to say "TREK is better cause Lance rode one" C'mon Wheelhot KEEP IT REAL!

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    ...kay then, im leaving this post out

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    And, KHS usually has a slightly better spec than the competition because it is an Asian manufacturer that other companies will use to build thier bikes. Nothing wrong any of its bikes. Although I can't specifically comment on the one in question, I have tried a couple of thier bikes and were nice. The XC Team full sus. had a higher BB than I was used to (I ride a hard tail) so I hit a tree with my shoulder on a tight single track, but tracked well and was compliant enough I would recommend someone to look at it. It didn't feel as racy as the Specialized Epic but it is a solid bike.
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