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Old 02-18-07, 03:00 PM   #1
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Bullet Camera

Does anyone know anything about bullet cameras? I'm thinking of bying the ATC2K wireless cam with 2GB SD memory card. Other options in the same price range?($ 250.00)
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Old 02-18-07, 03:10 PM   #2
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For the price I think that is your best bet.....

I saw some examples of recorded video on a few.....seems like the mount is key to not get that wobble effect. I took the jump and got an Archos 604. I will get the helmet cam in a month or so. Hopefully I will post some cool vids....maybe some of me not crashing...

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How was the picture quality and sound like?
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How was the picture quality and sound like?
Horrible. Sorry.
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Old 02-19-07, 07:40 AM   #5
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Hmmmmmm, so bad? Disapointing news as allready ordered.....
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Photo quality on cell phones are never very good.
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You'll have to look for the amount of "TV Lines" of resolution. I've got a helmetcam, and it's 480 lines. I'm pretty happy with it, and have shot about 20 vids using it.

I would also suggest using a camcorder MiniDV for the recording device (seperate from the actual camera). The problem with 2GB of space is, this limits your video time, unless you can greatly reduce the quality for longer recording.

I always carry @6 MiniDV tapes with me. When one fills up, I just pop another one in. I've also got a 9 hour camcorder battery.

Anyways, good luck. There are all kinds of accessories you can get to make your recording more interesting.
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You'll have to look for the amount of "TV Lines" of resolution. I've got a helmetcam, and it's 480 lines. I'm pretty happy with it, and have shot about 20 vids using it.

I would also suggest using a camcorder MiniDV for the recording device (seperate from the actual camera). The problem with 2GB of space is, this limits your video time, unless you can greatly reduce the quality for longer recording.

I always carry @6 MiniDV tapes with me. When one fills up, I just pop another one in. I've also got a 9 hour camcorder battery.

Anyways, good luck. There are all kinds of accessories you can get to make your recording more interesting.
How long would you think that a 2gb card could record running on a 680x480-30fps resollution?
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How long would you think that a 2gb card could record running on a 680x480-30fps resollution?
On average, that's around 2MB per second. So that would fill up a 2 GB card in 1000 seconds, or about 16.66 minutes. Considering most videos are around 5 minutes, that's enough, but they're usually cropped down from at least an hour of footage.

It's really the Bit rate that matters. You could be standing still, and it would hardly take up any disk space. The faster you go, the higher the bit rate.

Hopefully the device will have a bit rate setting as well as a resolution size setting.
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Hey just got the cam yesterday, tested it and to be quite honest the picture is very very good....(much better that many videos that I occasionally watch on u-tube...) The sound is not so great but that's not so important...right? The 2GB sd card lasts for a whole 62minutes recording on the highest resolution beeing 680x480 on 30fms.
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Hey just got the cam yesterday, tested it and to be quite honest the picture is very very good....(much better that many videos that I occasionally watch on u-tube...) The sound is not so great but that's not so important...right? The 2GB sd card lasts for a whole 62minutes recording on the highest resolution beeing 680x480 on 30fms.
Cool. Let's see some of that vid!

BTW, youtube resolution just sucks, so if you want only high res video, don't upload it there. Try to find a server that won't compress it for you, and just give us the direct link to that.

Just for comparison, here are two of the same video, shot a week ago:

YouTube version:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p_e9pZvqUvw

Minimum compressed version (right click and save as, it's @101MB)
http://uutah.com/forum/files/JEM2007Large.wmv
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If anyone is considering this unit, they should check this out:

http://helmetcameracentral.com/2006/...helmet-camera/
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Old 02-22-07, 12:48 PM   #13
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If anyone is considering this unit, they should check this out:

http://helmetcameracentral.com/2006/...helmet-camera/
That is very cool. I think I may jump on this to play with helmet cam stuff. I have an older Digital8 Sony cam that would be too heavy to strap on to my head.
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Nice footage!!! I still have along way to go on my director skills! I will have to experiment on different angles, adjustments, fittings etc. Got nice ideas from you. What kind of software do you use to edit the vid?

As it was my first time using the cam, I will not be posting anything at this point (too embarassed). I was just trying the cam out (no this is not an excuse) just to see the resolution etc, basically playing around. Anyway "practice makes perfect" so when I reach near perfection I will proudly post my video from the stony foresty mountains nearby Athens, Greece....
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That is very cool. I think I may jump on this to play with helmet cam stuff. I have an older Digital8 Sony cam that would be too heavy to strap on to my head.
I posted the link as a "caveat emptor" thing, not as an endorsement.

Anyone considering one should read through all of the 99 responses below the review as well as checking out some of the raw video that is posted in a few of the responses.
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I posted the link as a "caveat emptor" thing, not as an endorsement.

Anyone considering one should read through all of the 99 responses below the review as well as checking out some of the raw video that is posted in a few of the responses.
The other alternative was the Viosport Adventure Cam 3. Does that still fall unde 'lipstip cams are crap.' The main reviewer seems to like it but maybe they're sort of comparing dressed up pigs and find this one to be the hottest looking one. What say you? It's pretty pricey, too. Something like $300-500 depending on accessories and that doesn't count the camcorder.

Newbie question, for these types, do they plug straight into most camcorders or does the camcorder have to have a special plug. Looks like a S-video plug from the pic.

http://helmetcameracentral.com/2006/...system-review/
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You mean like this review? I thought the original review was a little too positive for what this camera offers.

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November 21st, 2006 at 4:34 pm
Ugh, after testing this for a while I can say without a doubt that it was a poor purchase. This needs a wide angle lens so bad it makes me physically ill. The wobble effect is far more apparent than I noticed yesterday. This is basically an unusable camera. If you take it to any of the sports advertised on the box and record for two hours, you might (MIGHT!) go home with 2-3 minutes of usable footage…for youtube. If you’d like to test out if you like the video quality, head on over to your local Fry’s and pick up a web cam (there’s almost always a promotion for one) or buy one that’s under $10. Now plug it into your laptop and record stuff while you walk around with the webcam. Now convert the video to an audio stream and broadcast it using an iTrip from about 50 yards to another computer that will convert the audio signal back to video…now watch it with your eyes squinted on a 17in monitor from a good 10 feet or so and you’ll have a good general idea of the quality of video this outputs…
For a little more than $100, go buy a smaller camera (like this one) that takes far better video, weighs less, and isn’t prone to crashing. I’ve had the camera itself lock up 4 times now while filming. I’ve probably only taken about 20 videos, which puts my failure rate in the neighborhood of 20%. I just wish the company I’d bought from had a return policy. Wait for the ATC-3000 and pray that they fix the sensor."
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The other alternative was the Viosport Adventure Cam 3. Does that still fall unde 'lipstip cams are crap.'
It's one of the better consumer lipstick cams.

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Newbie question, for these types, do they plug straight into most camcorders or does the camcorder have to have a special plug. Looks like a S-video plug from the pic.
The video camera needs to have VCR/VTR in aka "video in" port. Check the manual, they are common, except on EU models.
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The other alternative was the Viosport Adventure Cam 3. Does that still fall unde 'lipstip cams are crap.' The main reviewer seems to like it but maybe they're sort of comparing dressed up pigs and find this one to be the hottest looking one. What say you? It's pretty pricey, too. Something like $300-500 depending on accessories and that doesn't count the camcorder.

Newbie question, for these types, do they plug straight into most camcorders or does the camcorder have to have a special plug. Looks like a S-video plug from the pic.

http://helmetcameracentral.com/2006/...system-review/
http://www.helmetcamera.com/ builds their cameras off of the same Sony CCDs that the Viosport uses. They offer a few different models with varying resolution. The housing seems much burlier than that of the Viosport as well. Might not be a bad option if you want a lipstick cam.
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