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    How much is enough?

    Hi all

    I would like to start a thread that poses some rather philosophical questions. It is not intented to criticise in any way the opinions or tastes of any members. Just a nice string of ideas.
    My bike costs about 1600$. It is very likely at the moment that i cant push my bike to its limits (yet...). Looking around at prices etc i come across stuff like TiTus exogrid frames 3500$ for frame only, Cerotta 3000$ frame only and so on. On the same basis we have cranks that cost 1000$ (colnago) and so on. My idea is that apart from being a pro in need of every possible fraction of a second in a race ,every equipment from a certain level and beyond is just marketing for us (do we need XTR? NextLP? Titus Exogrid?) . The same of course goes for many consumer products...but i am a biker,this is a bike forum so bikes it is. Do we really need anything more than a good frame (up to 1000$) a good fork (500$) and a package of good components?(XT class). I know that many of us buy stuff for hype (me too...) its not bad...but recently i read an irritating article that proposed that half my bike needs overhauling after 6 months....and the article was intended for normal riders and not huckers pros or anything else..... i got the impression that they wanna get inside our pockets really good. Its business i agree...but up to a limit. We should consume...support the bike business...but not go to the extreme and pay the bills for high class executives that do marketing ploys.

    Ok that was me....just chatting around...hopping this is interesting opinion to share... now i must go back to my studies...
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    You have to decide your range. Ti is not and will never be an option. I don't think it has any value (price vs cost) for very many people. Personally I do need midrange equipment. I tend to break things easily and you really do get what you payed for in this industry, whether some people believe it or not. If you aren't breaking parts its either a) you aren't going hard enough or b) you actually have parts that support your riding. There are definately precaussions to take to save parts. Maintenance, rebuilds on bearings, greasing, cleaning. But things brake. For me areas of destructions WERE bottom bracket and rear hubs. I still have a problem with rear hubs becauseI can't afford to get away from shi$mano hubs. My BB I replaced with an expensive raceface freeride model and have never looked back.

    To be honest I have emailed many companies back and forth and they are very honest about what you should have. Email Marz and tell them your riding and you will get an honest answer. The people selling them and marketting them may be all hype but you can find ways around that.

    Again it comes down to value for you. I can't tell you what your value is but I hate replacing and fixing parts. With the way I ride and how much I weight that means I need mid level to high end parts

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    I agree on the companies responce...i phoned marzocchi importers UK and they were fair. Maybe its the impression i get from some magazines then....they tend to make you need stuff...
    Where the skid marks stop...the tree begins....:D:D:D:D:D

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    I agree with Maelstrom. It depends on how much passion you have for the sport. It depends how much you value that activity, which will influence how much you spend. Of course there are those who spend 8K on a Ghisallo and barely ride it, but i think those types of people will always exist.

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    Well i tend to value it on top of my hobbies... money is no object to me as far as bikes...but i dont want to go buy something that i dont need. For example i can go for a RF turbine instead of a Next LP, or for an XT group rather than an XTR. However some parts that need strength such as hubs and bb need to be high end...but we dont need chris king hubs only...we can ride as well with a pair of DThugi or Hope...or even XT hubs.
    Where the skid marks stop...the tree begins....:D:D:D:D:D

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    Philosophically speaking, Plato, yep I could do no worse on a bike with deore, Id be just as "Me" as, me. I'd sure grumble to myself about the action on the shifters of course, but I dont think for one minute that the bike is going to operate any better with XTR on it either, but I sure would like to see what that feels like.

    But when It comes to skis, that is another thing. I made the mistake of taking a pair of "recreational skis" for a test run this past winter. I came very close to buying them, I thought for sure I had bent them carving a turn. So I'm sure there are many a person on the board here who do warrant X-0, XTR, Record, Dura-ace... maybe one day I will too!! (A guy can wish cant he?)

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    Originally posted by math2p14
    Hi all

    I would like to start a thread that poses some rather philosophical questions. It is not intented to criticise in any way the opinions or tastes of any members. Just a nice string of ideas.
    My bike costs about 1600$. It is very likely at the moment that i cant push my bike to its limits (yet...). Looking around at prices etc i come across stuff like TiTus exogrid frames 3500$ for frame only, Cerotta 3000$ frame only and so on. On the same basis we have cranks that cost 1000$ (colnago) and so on. My idea is that apart from being a pro in need of every possible fraction of a second in a race ,every equipment from a certain level and beyond is just marketing for us (do we need XTR? NextLP? Titus Exogrid?) . The same of course goes for many consumer products...but i am a biker,this is a bike forum so bikes it is. Do we really need anything more than a good frame (up to 1000$) a good fork (500$) and a package of good components?(XT class). I know that many of us buy stuff for hype (me too...) its not bad...but recently i read an irritating article that proposed that half my bike needs overhauling after 6 months....and the article was intended for normal riders and not huckers pros or anything else..... i got the impression that they wanna get inside our pockets really good. Its business i agree...but up to a limit. We should consume...support the bike business...but not go to the extreme and pay the bills for high class executives that do marketing ploys.

    Ok that was me....just chatting around...hopping this is interesting opinion to share... now i must go back to my studies...
    I was just talking about this tonight... I think it is called perceived value... they make a product that costs them - the manufactures - (example) $50.00 to make and sell it for $300.00. And the product (lower end) that costs them $15.00 to make they sell it for $99.00. Now there product being sold for $300.00 has the best design and greatest "want" from the consumer. And the product they sell for $99.00 is poorly designed and lacks quality.

    i.e. look at MTB shoes... You have a top of the line shoe with an excellent design and then you have a bottom of the line shoe that lacks integrity. They leave no middle ground, therefore pushing the consumer to buy the more expensive item.

    And I believe with frames that cost $3000.00+ is a great example of “come on now.. everyone repeat after me” Perceived Value! Look at the amount of equipment / accessories / parts…etc that you get when buying a new motorcycle for the price of $3000.00 and then compare that to a MTB for the same price. Hmm…doesn’t that bother anyone else?????????
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    Simply Put....I destroy crappy stuff. If i want to ride with confidence, i understand that it will cost more. I go through derailleurs like socks, so normally an LX or even a Deore is fine, but a quality frame will last a while. Spending the extra cash for smooth performance doesnt bother me one bit.
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    I just bought a Norco Atomic a month ago only 5 months after buying a enduro. Overall I spent $2900 within that time frame on the bikes alone not counting extras. Im already saving up for either a boxxer race or a jr t for my norco. In other words, dont be afraid to spend money, because if you love the sport enough you shouldn't have any regrets. I have no regrets about spending my hard earned money on somethng I love.

    My way of thinking is that you only live once so why not indulge in what you love. If you hold back you will most likely regret it later on.

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    It's all relative. If it's an activity you enjoy, and you have the money to spend, then spend it. For example, who plays golf? I do, barely, maybe a couple of times a year. That's it. I bought a set of clubs, bag, shoes and a glove and it set me back about $400.00. I know some golfers who spend $400 on a single club. I think they're crazy. They also think I'm crazy for spending over $100 for a headset! I think that in order to justify spending $400 on a single club, I would have to play at least 3x's a week, and with the expense of greens fees and the obligatory Beer, I'd spend 10x's as much than I do on my Cycling.

    But, I have to drive at least 1.5 hours each way to hit some decent trails. Factor in that time, and it's all about the same. If you enjoy it, don't worry about it.

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