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Old 04-05-07, 05:56 PM   #1
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New weight weenie xc wheelset

I received my new wheels a few weeks ago I just never got around to mounting the tires to them. I had a little free time today so figured it was as good of time as any. Plus my first race is just over a week away so figured I should probably get busy.

They were built by Mike Garcia at Odds and Endos. I originally ordered the new Olympic 347 rims but they ended up being back ordered. I went with the Olympic ZTR's instead. They are only a few grams heavier. The hubs are WTB labeled American Classic hubs. The spokes are DTSwiss SuperComps. The front wheel weighs in at 677 grams. The rear wheel weighs 793 grams. Not too shabby. Oh yeah, they are beautiful!

They weigh 22 grams more than my American Classic wheelset but I should be able to save around 160 grams by not having to use the rimstrips to convert them to tubeless.



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Look very nice. My only question is why AC? I've heard quite a few horror stories about their hubs, road and mountain. I'd be worried about the seals myself.
And, since you went superlight and less-durable with AC hubs, why go for heavier spokes? Could have gone lighter AND stronger with a set of DT 240's and DT revolutions.

But they aren't my wheels, and damn they sure are pretty Congrats on the new set. Light wheels feel so amazing!
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Ooooooooooooooooooh...nice, for a weight weenie,

Give me a quick run-down on the process of mounting/sealing your tubeless system. I'm thinking about taking the plunge.

Tips, tricks?
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Hey, shouldn't you be saving your dough by not replacing stuff that's not broken or worn out yet? Seems I saw you say that somewhere today . . . .
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LowCel, you should really listen to random opinions to build your stuff. Next time you build up what "you" want you need to think about how some on Bike Forums like it. Nice wheels buy the way.
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Look very nice. My only question is why AC? I've heard quite a few horror stories about their hubs, road and mountain. I'd be worried about the seals myself.
And, since you went superlight and less-durable with AC hubs, why go for heavier spokes? Could have gone lighter AND stronger with a set of DT 240's and DT revolutions.

But they aren't my wheels, and damn they sure are pretty Congrats on the new set. Light wheels feel so amazing!
This is my third set of AC hubs, I've never had a problem out of them. With the spokes there is only about a 12 gram per wheel penalty. However, these spokes are a little stiffer making a stiffer wheel side to side. They also allow slightly larger nipples which will be more difficult to break.

I've got a couple wheelsets with DT 240's as well. Very nice hubs, about double the cost though.
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Hey, shouldn't you be saving your dough by not replacing stuff that's not broken or worn out yet? Seems I saw you say that somewhere today . . . .
Probably, but since I have at least one backup for every part on the bike I should be fine. As for wheels, I just did a quick count and found 21. Ten of them are for my mountain bike. I should have a wheel / tire combo for pretty much all occasions now.
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LowCel, you should really listen to random opinions to build your stuff. Next time you build up what "you" want you need to think about how some on Bike Forums like it. Nice wheels buy the way.
Yeah, what was I thinking???

Oh, and thanks by the way. When I finally do make it down your way, these wheels won't be with me.
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Very nice wheels, and very light after all.

I'm curious how the racing ralphs are comparing to the karmas, but I'm guessing you haven't tried them yet.
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Ooooooooooooooooooh...nice, for a weight weenie,

Give me a quick run-down on the process of mounting/sealing your tubeless system. I'm thinking about taking the plunge.

Tips, tricks?
Quick rundown with Stan's rims.

1) install yellow tape (only on the stan's rims)
2) insert valve stem
3) mount tire
4) insert fluid
5) air up

The first one mounted right up, second one wouldn't seat for me. I have installed a tube in it and I am going to let it set for a day then try again. If that doesn't work I will be adding a Stan's rim strip.

Quick rundown with standard rims.

1) install rim strip
2) mount tire
3) insert fluid
4) air up

It's really pretty easy to do. I mounted the Schwalbe Nobby Nics on my american classic wheels. They are the easiest tires I have ever converted using Stan's. They aired right up.
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Very nice wheels, and very light after all.

I'm curious how the racing ralphs are comparing to the karmas, but I'm guessing you haven't tried them yet.
Nope, haven't tried them out yet. Depending on the weather I will either be using them or the nobby nics Sunday when I pre-ride the race course. It will be nice getting back on the mountain bike, hope I remember how to ride it.
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Quick rundown with Stan's rims.

1) install yellow tape (only on the stan's rims)
2) insert valve stem
3) mount tire
4) insert fluid
5) air up

The first one mounted right up, second one wouldn't seat for me. I have installed a tube in it and I am going to let it set for a day then try again. If that doesn't work I will be adding a Stan's rim strip.

Quick rundown with standard rims.

1) install rim strip
2) mount tire
3) insert fluid
4) air up

It's really pretty easy to do. I mounted the Kenda Nobby Nics on my american classic wheels. They are the easiest tires I have ever converted using Stan's. They aired right up.

Shoot...that was easy. Stan's site made it sound more complicated.

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Oh yeah, some sudsy water on the tires does make it a little easier to air them up. Once they are aired up you need to shake the tire some and roll it around a little to seal up all the little pinholes. The Schwalbes are the first tires I've had that didn't have pinholes. The most difficult tires I've ever sealed up were Kenda Karma DTC's. Those things took three weeks to completely seal up.
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As for wheels, I just did a quick count and found 21. Ten of them are for my mountain bike.
21 total?
so that makes 11 road wheels right? Shouldn't you have a multiple of 2?

edit: I forgot the roadie side of me, I bet you got a powertap somewhere in there...
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so that makes 11 road wheels right? Shouldn't you have a multiple of 2?

edit: I forgot the roadie side of me, I bet you got a powertap somewhere in there...
Yup, powertap sl makes for an uneven number.
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Thank you wikipedia, otherwise I would have been clueless. However, I bet my wife could giver her a run for her money.
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I am trying to make my bike a weight weenie's too, but have just managed to get it to 24.5 pounds. (19 inch ). I would have thought upgading to Crossmax's and Maxxis Ignitor tubeless would have got me in the 23 pound range.
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Nice wheels LC. I just got some new stans rims also. we should have a wheel sticky!! let's vote
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Nice wheels LC. I just got some new stans rims also. we should have a wheel sticky!! let's vote
I think LowCel should be planning a 'wheel garage' for his next house.
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thats a good idea. I am building a house right now. I have a seperate bike shop in the basement, and the bike bay in the garage, but no wheel room. I think I am off to talk to the designer before its too late
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congrats on your new wheels, what happen to your old ones?
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congrats on your new wheels, what happen to your old ones?
What do you mean what happened to them? They are fine and well and are now sporting Nobby Nics. I like to have a wheelset / tire combination ready for all occasions. Never know what the course is going to look like.
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