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    Mad Furyan Quick_Torch C5's Avatar
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    Headset Suggestions

    I just bought a slightly used 06 Santa Cruz Heckler frame(wanted and 07, but too much $$$ for me). I will be transferring most of my components from my Cannondale to it. However, the headsets won't swap( 1 1/2"). So, I'm looking for a good, reliable headset that won't break the bank, so, unfortunately, there goes Chris King($$ factor only, I know they are great headsets). What headsets do you use, and suggest?
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    However, the headsets won't swap( 1 1/2"). So, I'm looking for a good, reliable headset that won't break the bank, so, unfortunately, there goes Chris King($$ factor only, I know they are great headsets). What headsets do you use, and suggest?

    Try this. About half the price of a King. Very nicely sealed and constructed. Been beating on one for a while now; no issues. Even swapped it into a new frame nice and smoothly.

    Oh, and your Heckler has a 1-1/8" headset, not a 1 1/2".
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    thank you, yes, I meant to say the C'dale is 1 1/2". That's a nice looking headset. Still, @ $79, I can get a King headset for $100, and for that difference, I'd rather have a King then. Any other suggestions?

    I've seen Cane Creek S8's for about $30 +shipping, anyone using these?
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    If you're riding aggressively I'd look at a heavy duty deep cup headset like the FSA Pig DH Pro... its not too expensive and its really, really beefy and durable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick_Torch C5
    I've seen Cane Creek S8's for about $30 +shipping, anyone using these?
    I just installed a S2. Seems well built and has sealed cartridge bearings (like I care). It works very well; everytime I turn the handlebars the front wheel turns too.

    It's on sale now at Nashbbar for under $15- I think I might pick up another if I can find a valid free shipping code.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seely
    If you're riding aggressively I'd look at a heavy duty deep cup headset like the FSA Pig DH Pro... its not too expensive and its really, really beefy and durable.
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    I just found a Chris King for $80 new/take off. I guess I AM going to break the bank, oh well Thanks 4 d advice all
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover
    However, the headsets won't swap( 1 1/2"). So, I'm looking for a good, reliable headset that won't break the bank, so, unfortunately, there goes Chris King($$ factor only, I know they are great headsets). What headsets do you use, and suggest?
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    Have you checked out Hope? As nice as CK but alittle cheaper and comes in nice colors if you are looking to add some bling... but personally? I would spring the money for CK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCIpam
    Have you checked out Hope? As nice as CK but alittle cheaper and comes in nice colors if you are looking to add some bling... but personally? I would spring the money for CK.
    Having recently bought a hope headset, I can say outright that the Hope is $20 more than a King.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCIpam
    Have you checked out Hope? As nice as CK but alittle cheaper and comes in nice colors if you are looking to add some bling... but personally? I would spring the money for CK.

    Yes, Hope was one of the first (blingy) headsets I was looking at...they are nice looking and they would match my brakes well(mono mini), plus it would have been different If I didn't find an semi affordable CK, it prolly would've been my next pick. The Cane Creek S8 I mentioned earlier in the thread seems to have expired at "blueskycycling", otherwise I would have bought that Oh well, I will just have to settle for a Chris King
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    Quote Originally Posted by seely
    If you're riding aggressively I'd look at a heavy duty deep cup headset like the FSA Pig DH Pro... its not too expensive and its really, really beefy and durable.
    Deep cups are not generally necessary especially on a Heckler. Honestly, how often do you see an ovalized headtube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattP.
    Deep cups are not generally necessary especially on a Heckler. Honestly, how often do you see an ovalized headtube?

    I suspect you know something about these santa cruzs' working in a shop, but my headtube doesn't look"ovalized"...explain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiyn
    i started using quick reply, then decided i did want to quote part of his post... so i just scrolled down and used a cut/paste method...

    do you naturally behave this anally, or do you have to work on it?

    i mean, why not unwind your panties once in a while? no one will think you any less a man. really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick_Torch C5
    I suspect you know something about these santa cruzs' working in a shop, but my headtube doesn't look"ovalized"...explain
    he means that a deep cup is used when you need deeper insertion cups for a bike that will be particularly abused/jumped/dropped hard. or they can be used to make a frame with a slight ovalization useable again.

    ovalized headtubes normally come about from improper installation, or doing too abusive things to a frame. (picture landing badly on the front end off some drop/jump stuff) or sometimes the two in tandem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover
    i started using quick reply, then decided i did want to quote part of his post... so i just scrolled down and used a cut/paste method...
    So you mean to say you were too lazy to have deleted the part that you didn't want to quote? The truth of the matter is it's actually easier to use the reply w/ quote and delete than to copy/paste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiyn
    So you mean to say you were too lazy to have deleted the part that you didn't want to quote? The truth of the matter is it's actually easier to use the reply w/ quote and delete than to copy/paste.
    and you're actually going to waste your time pointing this out and then arguing about it... nice.

    But anyway, I'd go for the CK just because I've had one (yes, just one) for 6 years on 4 bikes and it feels better than my cane creek C2 on my road bike that's 1 season old (granted it has 10k+ miles on it but so does the CK after this many years, and on mountain bikes!). They are a great piece of equipment.
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    Anyone ever tried a Fire Eye Iris-X headset?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeCanon
    and you're actually going to waste your time pointing this out and then arguing about it... nice.
    Why not? You did.

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    ahh, gotcha thanks, thought it may have been new cycling fad that I missed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiyn
    So you mean to say you were too lazy to have deleted the part that you didn't want to quote? The truth of the matter is it's actually easier to use the reply w/ quote and delete than to copy/paste.
    Ah. I see. Using the "harder" option means I'm lazy? Wow. That's logic at work!

    Someone didn't post the way you like or think it ought to have beendone, and you get all worked up (seemingly) about it. Jesus man, you really need to get a life if you nitpick this sort of thing on a freakin' message board.

    How nice of you to contribute something to the OP original question, too!

    Back to headsets: me likey sealed bearings. Granted, I've yet to have an issue with a cup and ball headset or any sealed bearing units either. The sealed just means less overhaul time in the long run, not that it takes that much anyhow. I've got one Cane Creek Solos, one of the aforementioned IRD units, and two King no-threadsets in the fleet. I can't discern a damn bit of difference betweent hem when riding.

    One of the Kings is 6 years old, and has been on multiple frames without any issues. The IRD is on the squish bike, which sees more drop/jump abuse than the King, but not by much; it's two years and going strong. The other two are on road bikes.

    Pick how much you are willing to spend. If you can get a King in that range, go for it. If not, my preferences run to Cane Creek. These days though, it's hard to go wrong with any decent sealed until once above a certain price point. If you're a big hucker, or a really big guy, get the Pig stuff, or other companies equivelants. If you're not, those are pretty burly/overkill headsets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover
    Ah. I see. Using the "harder" option means I'm lazy? Wow. That's logic at work!

    Someone didn't post the way you like or think it ought to have beendone, and you get all worked up (seemingly) about it. Jesus man, you really need to get a life if you nitpick this sort of thing on a freakin' message board.

    How nice of you to contribute something to the OP original question, too!

    Back to headsets: me likey sealed bearings. Granted, I've yet to have an issue with a cup and ball headset or any sealed bearing units either. The sealed just means less overhaul time in the long run, not that it takes that much anyhow. I've got one Cane Creek Solos, one of the aforementioned IRD units, and two King no-threadsets in the fleet. I can't discern a damn bit of difference betweent hem when riding.

    One of the Kings is 6 years old, and has been on multiple frames without any issues. The IRD is on the squish bike, which sees more drop/jump abuse than the King, but not by much; it's two years and going strong. The other two are on road bikes.

    Pick how much you are willing to spend. If you can get a King in that range, go for it. If not, my preferences run to Cane Creek. These days though, it's hard to go wrong with any decent sealed until once above a certain price point. If you're a big hucker, or a really big guy, get the Pig stuff, or other companies equivelants. If you're not, those are pretty burly/overkill headsets.
    thanks 4 the comments, I was refusing to pay $130 for the CK when I can get a "near high quality" headset for near half that much (AKA CraneCreek, Ritchey ETC.). I was looking at the SOLOS also, and noticed their 10 year warranty(just like a CK), but I found them for about $80-100. $80 was my limit on a headset, and I found a nice new/takeoff black CK for $80, so I'm happy with it. Plus, it'll match the bling in my grill! (J/K)
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    Quote Originally Posted by probable556
    I just installed a S2. Seems well built and has sealed cartridge bearings (like I care). It works very well; everytime I turn the handlebars the front wheel turns too.

    It's on sale now at Nashbbar for under $15- I think I might pick up another if I can find a valid free shipping code.
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    I run a raceface dues and it's working great, has sealed bearings which have a 5 year warranty and the rest of the headset has a lifetime warranty. Cost was about $50.

    I looked at hope since I have several hope products but they cost $100, king was $120 so I opted for the raceface. If I were to buy a top dolla one, it would be Hope for sure.

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