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Old 05-24-07, 09:56 AM   #1
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Trek Vs. Giant Personal experience?

Hey guys, i've done quite a bit of reading on here and i've learned a good bit. Thanks for all the resources you guys provide. Now, I, being of grandier stature have had a hard time finding bikes that fit me.

I've found two, that seem similarly spec'd and i'm going to ride one of them today at a LBS.

The two i'm looking into are the:
Giant Yukon 24"
http://www.giant-bicycle.com/en-US/b...tain/10/28076/

and the Trek 4500 24"
http://www2.trekbikes.com/bikes/bike...d=1022600&f=18

The hardware is the same on both bikes except the giant has disk brakes and a 100mm front fork where the trek's got v-brakes and an 80mm fork.

Do any of you have personal experiences with either of these bikes? if so please tell me what you like and or didn't like about it.

I'm also waiting to find a LBS witha properly sized Rockhopper for me to try.

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Old 05-24-07, 10:35 AM   #2
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I have no direct experience with Treks other than test riding a few while looking for my own bike. I didn't like them much, but it was a "feel" issue, nothing else.

As for being a big guy, if you're around 200 lbs (which at 6'6" or so, guessing, you're probably close) you might want the longer travel fork. I have a 100mm Judy J3 that came on my Rockhopper ('06 model) and even with the stiffest spring available, I've nearly bottomed it out several times. 80mm, unless stiffer, would bottom out pretty regularly for me.

I also ride a big(ish) bike at 21". If you are a typical really tall guy with long legs and orangutan arms, you might want to look into the Rockhopper -- it's spec'd and priced competitively with the 4500 and Yukon, and Specialized usually have longer toptubes for their size, by an inch or so. You can look at the geometry online.

As far as Giant vs. Trek: both are mass produced in plants in SE Asia as far as I know, probably in the same or similar factories most of the time, and being spec'd with the same components, it's down to what feels best when you ride it. I would caution that cheap disc brakes are usually no better (and occasionally worse) than good v-brakes.

My girlfriend's bike is a Giant Suede, and even though it was dirt cheap ($350) I'm impressed with the general quality of the bike, and it's pretty darn light for what it is. I don't think you can go wrong with either one, though.
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One of our LBS is awaiting a shipment of Specialized. I"ve got to wait a week or two before they assemble one my size. I'm going to ride the Giant today, so i will have some direct input for it. Thanks for all the help!

I'd love the rockhopper, but i was told that 23" was the largest they make. I am 6'7" and 285lbs, so i'm a big fella. hope to get down to around 250 or so.

And were you saying that the disks on the giant are not very good quality?
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One of our LBS is awaiting a shipment of Specialized. I"ve got to wait a week or two before they assemble one my size. I'm going to ride the Giant today, so i will have some direct input for it. Thanks for all the help!

I'd love the rockhopper, but i was told that 23" was the largest they make. I am 6'7" and 285lbs, so i'm a big fella. hope to get down to around 250 or so.

And were you saying that the disks on the giant are not very good quality?
These bikes are almost identically equipped. The Hayes mechanicals are widely reported to be junk but I have no first hand experience with them. As a big rider it might be difficult for you to get comfortable even on the largest models. I recommend riding as many BIG bikes as you can find and picking the one that FEELS the best.

After all, if you aren't comfortable on the bike, what else matters?
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Since you are a bigger rider, you might wanna take a look at the Gary Fisher line. These have a slightly longer cockpit than others seem to (you may like it depending upon your proportions). Generally, a trek dealer will have these along with the other offerings but this is not always the case. The Wahoo disc is not too shabby as an entry level MTB, and I think they look pretty cool too. This is a good time to ask lots of questions and make a solid decision.

http://www.fisherbikes.com/bikes/bik...ike=Wahoo_Disc
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I was told by our LBS that gary fisher bikes are smaller, and that i'd not fit on them. remember 6'7"
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Crazy as this might sound, Id try test riding an XL, you and the LBS both may be surpised. The top tube of an GF XL is definitely longer than on the largest Trek. Harder to say on the stand-over-height though. Depends on where your height is (torso or legs).

http://www2.trekbikes.com/bikes/bike...d=1022600&f=18

http://www.fisherbikes.com/bikes/siz...ike=Wahoo_Disc
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I was told by our LBS that gary fisher bikes are smaller, and that i'd not fit on them. remember 6'7"

My riding partner is same size and weight. 6 years ago he got a Giant Boulder.Write ups on the frame were good but with the proviso that parts were not top knotch but the bike was cheap. This has proved the case. We got the wheels changed to a different stronger set under warranty as he had problems. Drive train and he knocked out bottom brackets but under warranty again. Forks at that time were rubbish And he got by till out of warranty and then we got Rockshox Judys that have lasted. And on the brakes- The cheap Giant Disc brakes work. I haven't used them but they are OK.

For your weight and height- the Giant is a good bike. Be prepared for a few replacement parts but at this price you are not going to get a top rate bike. The frame is worth building on though So look at it from that perspective. And as my mate has found out- it will take your weight and will last. He has a 23" by the way, but can ride his sons 21" Giant so look at standover height before settling on frame size. Test the size for fit in other words. You may not need a 24" frame.
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awesome, thanks guys. i'll let you know how it goes, and i did not realize that about the top tube on the gary fishers. What exactly are they measuring if it's not the top tube for the "size"? I'll check out the Giant today, and go see what else i can sit on at our trek dealer. Our trek dealer is small though, and does not cary a huge inventory. i may have to go to our not-so-local store that handles both trek, GF, and specialized.
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see if you can find a Marin.. the 18 inch marin is like a 20 inch trek. I'd hate to see bigger sizes
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These bikes are almost identically equipped. The Hayes mechanicals are widely reported to be junk but I have no first hand experience with them. As a big rider it might be difficult for you to get comfortable even on the largest models. I recommend riding as many BIG bikes as you can find and picking the one that FEELS the best.

After all, if you aren't comfortable on the bike, what else matters?
The bikes are almost identical. The Hayes discs are going to be difficult to calibrate ... on a continuing basis.

I will say that the bike is only a BB7 away from having efficient brakes as it comes with disc hubs.

The Truvativ crank on the Giant looks like it has bolt on rings. This is good. The Trek looks like it has a welded set from Shimano. This means that as soon as those rings wear, you'll have to buy a new crank.
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The rockhopper is probably the best choice out of them all.
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The rockhopper is probably the best choice out of them all.

Other than preference, can you tell me why?
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Other than preference, can you tell me why?
Because a lot of people just recommend the bike they own, without regard for helping the poster. IF that's the case I'll recommend a Trek 6000. Again, this is why you need to go ride bikes. They are going to be so similar equipment wise at similar price points. The ride will differ a lot however.

The input received from you being ON the bike will be the biggest mitigater here.
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i rode a few treks and a few giants within a small time frame of each other, and didn't notice a difference at all. i test rode a rockhopper a long time frame from the other two and didn't notice a difference, but it had been a while since i rode the giant and trek. Gary fishers didn't feel right to me at all, tried many sizes. eventually went with the trek because the giant and specialized dealers both had pretty bad reputations.
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I just got back from riding the Giant and it fit me well. But i would DEFINATLY bottom out the shock if i were to hit a big bump, and when pedling under load the gears would chatter. i dont know what that means, but i'm sure it's not good. so this saddens me
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Because a lot of people just recommend the bike they own, without regard for helping the poster. IF that's the case I'll recommend a Trek 6000. Again, this is why you need to go ride bikes. They are going to be so similar equipment wise at similar price points. The ride will differ a lot however.

The input received from you being ON the bike will be the biggest mitigater here.
I own a trek

The reason I said Rockhopper is that for the money he's talking about and the 3 bikes he has listed...the Rockhopper probably has the best frame and fork. Always better to start with better equipment where you need it anyway...and replace the crap as you go along. I do however agree with Portis that you should go ride them all and see wich one you like best.

hehe...Portis remembers that I had a rockhopper, this is my bike now. Of course the dirt tires are back on it now...I threw some street tires on the stock rims for the 5 boro bike tour.

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Well, the giant sounded like it was giong to fall apart under me. I'll call the specialized shop tomorrow and see if they have anything.
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ride them all...look for closeouts also you may find a good deal on something.
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This is a biased opinion but Treks suck, Giants rule.

I ride a Giant XTC half composite and i love the thing to death, im pretty sure that i will always have at least one giant in my garage at all times from here on out. the two bikes ur looking at are very comprable, one bike offers something here that the other doesnt and vice versa, but wat you do get in the giant is a more compact frame design, you can tell by the very slanted top tube, this puts you more on top of the bike, making handling techniquel sections a bit easier. Once agian the trek is not a bad bike, but do you really want to own something with such little personality as a trek, if you going to get a trek product go for a gary fisher, something with history and class, trek is just a mainstream machine that really doesnt have much of a personality, you fall in line with all the other trek owners. this is coming from some one who hates trek so dont take this response to seriosly.
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This is a biased opinion but Treks suck, Giants rule.

I ride a Giant XTC half composite and i love the thing to death, im pretty sure that i will always have at least one giant in my garage at all times from here on out. the two bikes ur looking at are very comprable, one bike offers something here that the other doesnt and vice versa, but wat you do get in the giant is a more compact frame design, you can tell by the very slanted top tube, this puts you more on top of the bike, making handling techniquel sections a bit easier. Once agian the trek is not a bad bike, but do you really want to own something with such little personality as a trek, if you going to get a trek product go for a gary fisher, something with history and class, trek is just a mainstream machine that really doesnt have much of a personality, you fall in line with all the other trek owners. this is coming from some one who hates trek so dont take this response to seriosly.
How so? I'm not the biggest fan of treks either, but it is sheer stupidity that you go out and make such an blunt, uneducated statement like that. Bikes intially don't have any personality, remember it's not a living thing. The only personality a bike gets is what the owner puts into the bike. I must admit that I have seen some treks that are outright gorgeous.

As for the OP, I will say what I always say test ride bikes that you are interested in, choose the one that feels best to you. Never go on the opinion of someone who doesn't have any clue of what the particular bikes are like.
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I have ridden both bikes... not exactly the 24" sizes.. I've ridden the 18" versions.. I personally liked the Giant Yukon a little better.. It seemed a little tougher.. I have taken it through a lot of abuse already and havn't had a single problem. The breaks are excellent and not cheap. I've also tested out the specialized rockhopper and I know it has a really good rep and all but it seemed I wasn't getting as much bike for the money, just my opinion.
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How so? I'm not the biggest fan of treks either, but it is sheer stupidity that you go out and make such an blunt, uneducated statement like that. Bikes intially don't have any personality, remember it's not a living thing. The only personality a bike gets is what the owner puts into the bike. I must admit that I have seen some treks that are outright gorgeous.
See thats why i said to not take this post too much to heart because i am very biased agianst trek, i wouldnt say that i am uneducated, i work at a bike shop which i kno doesnt make me the all knowing, but i also have been racing for 3 years now. Its just that i have this like wierd vendetta agianst trek. And when you say your bike doesnt have a personality i think u just gotta look deeper into that aluminum, steel, carbon, titanium frame, or any crazy combination of those, and just find it. I own a Giant i love it, i has been my favorite bike, its not the yukon but it is a cross country hardtail, just like the yukon.
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I've been told that Giants tend to get better at the lower ends than Trek.

For Trek, I wouldn't go with a bike any lower than the 6000. After the 6000, they start packing good bang for your buck.

As for the post above, this whole deal isn't unlike when i was at a snowboard shop. I asked if they stocked Burton, and the man proceeded to tell me that Burton was blasphemy within the stores premises, and that they have become the Nike of the snowboard world. However, as a Burton rider, I beleive theres a reason they controll 50% on the industry.

Its the same thing here. Trek's are pretty mainstream, but alot of proffesional athletes seem to use them, and I think theres a good reason for that. i don't think you should go for a bike jsut becasue it has some sort of charm to it. You get one that works. THEN you add the personality yourself, be it by an airbrush job, stickers, simple wear-and tear, or by throwing it down a steep hillside to batter it up, like my dad used to do when he was younger.

The only bikes that come preloaded with awesomeness are the bikes from small companies, where the guy who owns the company is the guy who MAKES the bikes.

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FYI Giant and Trek are both manufactured by the same factory, I think Giant is the producer of Treks. Funny huh?
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