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Old 06-16-07, 02:15 PM   #1
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Trek 4500 or Specialized Hardrock?

I have been looking at both bikes and like both of them. I kind of like the Trek better but I was wonder what some other peoples opinons were, pros and cons of each ,ect. I am just getting into mountain biking so I really dont know a whole lot. Thank you for any help.
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Old 06-16-07, 04:47 PM   #2
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Depends. IMO the 4500 is a better bike because it has a Shimano rear derailleur that's 2 steps above the Hardrock's.
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Depends. IMO the 4500 is a better bike because it has a Shimano rear derailleur that's 2 steps above the Hardrock's.
I haven't heard anyone bad mouth the cult of Hardrock in a long time. Are Sram derailleurs that bad?

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Old 06-16-07, 06:37 PM   #4
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Well, depending on what Hardrock he gets though. The fork on the Hardrock Sport and the Hardrock Sport Disc both suck ass. The fork and derailleurs on the 4500 are way better. The Deore on the 4500 is 2 steps above the Acera on the Hardrock sport. It just depends on the type of riding you do. If you do more commuting than mtn. biking, than the Hardrock would be good for you. If you do more mtn. biking than commuting, than the 4500 is better for that. The only advantage imo is that the Hardrock has a beefier frame, but in turn that makes it heavier. I can tell you now that the Alpha SL Aluminum frame on the 4500 won't break on you. I love my 4300 and I haven't had any frame problems with it. The derailleurs on both bikes would be great for biking, so don't look at the Acera on the Hardrock as a downside. The Hardrock would be great for trail riding if you upgraded the fork.
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I have been looking at both bikes and like both of them. I kind of like the Trek better but I was wonder what some other peoples opinons were, pros and cons of each ,ect. I am just getting into mountain biking so I really dont know a whole lot. Thank you for any help.
IMHO, The Rockhopper is a better match-up to the 4500. But if Hardrock or 4500 are the two choices, I'd go with the 4500 (assuming you're referring to a base Hardrock).
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Hardrock! I love my hardrock! I've rode it like 2 hours a day for like 1 year and a half and only a few things. But i would reccomend it, you'll love it!
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Damn it, SRAM components are just as good as Shimano, it's just a matter of where your loyalties lie. The only difference shows up at their top-of-the-line rear deraillers, where the X0 goes carbon, which could be a advantage or a weakness.

Save your money, and buy yourself a Hardrock Pro. The bike is very good for the price, and got a very positive review in Mountain Bike Action mag.

I don't like the Hayes brakes on there, tho, I've heard terrible things about bleeding those things out.
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I don't like the Hayes brakes on there, tho, I've heard terrible things about bleeding those things out.
That's why you get Mechanical Disc Brakes
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ok haha. let it be known that im for both sides equally, but i do have a trek 4500. every thing is beefier on the trek; its more for mtn biking. Hardrock is my friends bike. He commutes more than he trail rides, and likes his bike for that. It all depends on ur riding style. I like all mountain and trail stuff, so i chose the trek. The trek does have a better derailleurs than the hardrock. and the shimino deore system is the best feature. the fork is also better and more adjustable for ur style of riding. the frame wont fail, its alpha sl! Im for the trek, but not because i have one already. only thing i dont like about the trek is the kick stand, which is removable. It springs up and down on drops and ramps. Tightning it up fixes this though. Have fun choosing, tis very hard.
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I'm partial to Trek being as I have a Trek 6700. However, you have to ride it so go with what is most comfortable to you. Both are good bikes. Whatever you choose, just have fun with it. Good Luck!!
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Old 06-18-07, 07:55 PM   #11
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my friend had his shimano deore derailuer literaly blow up on him
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Well, how hard did your friend ride his bike? That is a big depending factor on how long your components will last.
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if you're going into more aggressive riding, derailleurs aside, the hardrock is a much better bet. it has a much stronger frame and rims to handle more abuse. pricewise the treks may have better derailleurs but they are still skinny xc bikes (like 2007 rockhoppers) whereas hardrocks are much tougher. don't pay attention to the derailleur levels; imho, contrary to what others have said, a hardrock would be better for trailriding and a trek more for commuting. but both are MOUNTAIN bikes. if you want to go fast on (relatively) smooth trails, then go for the trek. it's skinnier, lighter and faster. if you wanna do a little bit of dirt jumping, rougher riding,then the hardrock is the bike for you - it'll be a little heavier and a little slower than the trek but it's rock-solid. it shares rims with the p1, p.2 and p.2 cromo so its rims can definitely handle abuse.

derailleurs are easily upgraded and replaced. they're cheap too. but a frame is a little more expensive to replace.

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my friend had his shimano deore derailuer literaly blow up on him

Damn dude, thats crazy. How do you blow up a RD?
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my friend had his shimano deore derailuer literaly blow up on him
it annoys me when people misuse the word literally...
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Depends. IMO the 4500 is a better bike because it has a Shimano rear derailleur that's 2 steps above the Hardrock's.
well my friend has a transition bottlerocket with an x-7 RD and my lowly rockhopper hardtail has an x9 RD, it's one step above but it's definitely not a better bike... this isn't an isolated case at all.
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ok haha. let it be known that im for both sides equally, but i do have a trek 4500. every thing is beefier on the trek; its more for mtn biking. Hardrock is my friends bike. He commutes more than he trail rides, and likes his bike for that. It all depends on ur riding style. I like all mountain and trail stuff, so i chose the trek. The trek does have a better derailleurs than the hardrock. and the shimino deore system is the best feature. the fork is also better and more adjustable for ur style of riding. the frame wont fail, its alpha sl! Im for the trek, but not because i have one already. only thing i dont like about the trek is the kick stand, which is removable. It springs up and down on drops and ramps. Tightning it up fixes this though. Have fun choosing, tis very hard.
hold on, the current hardrocks are definitely not xc anymore... the hardrocks of now are definitely a lot beefier than treks. go to a bike shop that deals both and ride them... that will be the advice that all BF vets will give you. whichever one rides better to you will be the one you should choose. they're both solid bikes in their own rights, which one to choose is a matter of personal preference and riding style.

see here: http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=302635

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it annoys me when people misuse the word literally...
can you please tell me in what proper context the word literally would be used more appropriate?
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can you please tell me in what proper context the word literally would be used more appropriate?
It looks like you're both right.... ;-) See: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/literally
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