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Old 07-20-07, 12:25 PM   #1
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'Fake' bike parts

I read in amagazine (mountain bike action, august 2007) that bike companies get other part companies to 'downgrade' there parts so the price is low enough to be competitive. I beleive this, it makes perfect sence, but my friend on the other hand doesnt. I'm trying to convince him but the only proof i have is the magazine and thats not enough. maybe you guys could give me a link to somewhere that tells about this or just say stuff that i can convince him with. thanks.
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Punch him in the face, to prove you're right.
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Was your bike more expensive than your friend's? If so, break one of his components to show the lack of durability.
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Is it that much of a downgrade though? i bought my ironhorse at sportchek, they sold it for 100$ cheaper than on the Ironhorse site because they had a discount. is the downgrade of the components obvious? I have an ironhorse warrior 3.3, an entry level mountain bike that i obught for 500. do they only do that to expensive bikes, or even entry hardtails like mine?
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I bought my ironhorse at sportchek,
Your first mistake. SportChek and other big box stores (sporting or not) are not BIKE SHOPS. The quality of the merchandise as well as the fit and assembly will always be lacking at a mass merchandiser.
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Was your bike more expensive than your friend's? If so, break one of his components to show the lack of durability.
thats funny
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yeah i know, i should have bought it at my LBS, but i knew who worked at sportchek, so i got a discount, i acutally only payed 400 for that bike, which is a pretty good deal. and sportchek, they have a bike shop there for repairs and stuff, so..i guess that's okay? i have a friend who bought his bike at sportchek, and it seemed like he was getting his bike maintenence pretty good? im new to mountain biking, and in a year maybe, ill probably get a new bike, this time, at my LBS. the components though, they arent that different right?
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yeah i know, i should have bought it at my LBS, but i knew who worked at sportchek, so i got a discount, i acutally only payed 400 for that bike, which is a pretty good deal. and sportchek, they have a bike shop there for repairs and stuff, so..i guess that's okay? i have a friend who bought his bike at sportchek, and it seemed like he was getting his bike maintenence pretty good? im new to mountain biking, and in a year maybe, ill probably get a new bike, this time, at my LBS. the components though, they arent that different right?
Big box store bikes typically scrape the bottom of the barrel for the level of parts they put on them. If your bike has giant stickers saying Shimano or SRAM equipped it's not a good sign. The best I've seen on a box store bike is Altus which is pretty damn low on the food chain. Tourney (also common on Box store bikes) is even worse. At a bike shop you'd find those in around the $250 - 300 range on a bike with a better frame.
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yeah that was the thing, i knew someone had sprotchek, so i wanted to get the discount, the bike was normally 600$. i guess i have alright beginner shox, rock shox dart 1. im still a beginner, so that's alright. Other than the official site, i dont think they sell iron horses anywhere, and it was my friends' reccomendation to get that bike. for a year or 2, my ironhorse warrior 3.3 should do me fine

and also, what do u mean big box store?
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i dont think they sell iron horses anywhere,
You know, I may own you an apology. I can't find the 3.3 on the site, but the 3.0 looks half ass decent. Do you have a spec sheet for your rig? Iron Horse used to be a LBS bike, and like Schwinn they used to have a big box as well as a LBS line but it looks like SportChek may actually be selling a decent product for a change.

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and also, what do u mean big box store?
Y-o-u not "u" Big box stores are places that sell items in bulk like K-mart Canadian Tire etc (another term is X-mart). SportCheck while slightly more specialized is till a big box store because they don't focus on a particular product. Meaning that you can buy air rifles (or toilet paper) and a bike in the same place.
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alright. just for your reference, sportchek doesnt sell toilet paper. i understand how a specialized bike shop will be better, but i dont think sportchek is all that bad..they do have a department just for bikes afterall..welll, thanks for your advice.
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REI sells Marin bikes... Galyans used to sell good bikes before dick's bought them out.. not all sports stores are totally bad...
at any rate I don't support my local bike shop at all.. I may buy a bike from there because they are the only place to get one, but for everyting else I go to the internet. All the LBS has are overpriced accessories and if I buy a part there they always want to install it and charge me labor, so I order most stuff online.
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REI sells Marin bikes... Galyans used to sell good bikes before dick's bought them out.. not all sports stores are totally bad...
at any rate I don't support my local bike shop at all.. I may buy a bike from there because they are the only place to get one, but for everyting else I go to the internet. All the LBS has are overpriced accessories and if I buy a part there they always want to install it and charge me labor, so I order most stuff online.
i remember those bikes. north face brand. wicked bike for the money, especially after dick's bought them out and cleared them out. really good bikes.
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Galyans was a quality store... their inventory has gone downhill since they were bought out. Dick's really sucks.
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Old 07-23-07, 09:55 AM   #15
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and sportchek, they have a bike shop there for repairs and stuff
Im sry, but thats not a bike shop, thats another enterance to there back room, with a couple of wrenches and alan keya sitting there. when i was younger i got a bike there, and they for some reason gave me a free checkup, but some checkup, nothing changed, and it took me 5 mins to fix the things they didnt even touch, they probably sat the bike out back til i came back.

lol, the local canadian tire here actually builds the bikes right because one (whos my friend) no how to fix them, has a 2006 norco sasquatch and does all his own repairs and the other guy had some norco bmx ($1300) so they actually now what theyre doin.

the breaking of his components wont work since hes doin a build that will be better than my current bike
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Old 07-23-07, 09:30 PM   #16
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I read in amagazine (mountain bike action, august 2007) that bike companies get other part companies to 'downgrade' there parts so the price is low enough to be competitive. I beleive this, it makes perfect sence, but my friend on the other hand doesnt. I'm trying to convince him but the only proof i have is the magazine and thats not enough. maybe you guys could give me a link to somewhere that tells about this or just say stuff that i can convince him with. thanks.
Fox gives a perfect example of this on their web site: http://www.foxracingshox.com/fox_bicycle/bike_index.htm

Navigate to the section on the F-Series forks. You'll see a table showing three models: the RLC, the RL and the R. The RL and the R are listed as "OE", which is the same as the term "OEM" mentioned in the article you're referring to. In other words, these versions are only sold as part of prebuilt bikes.

You'll see that the RL is stripped of Low Speed Compression and Lockout Force Adjust to keep the price down. The R model is also lacking lockout.

The web sites of the other fork manufacturers will give you additional proof to educate your friend with.
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Fox gives a perfect example of this on their web site: http://www.foxracingshox.com/fox_bicycle/bike_index.htm

Navigate to the section on the F-Series forks. You'll see a table showing three models: the RLC, the RL and the R. The RL and the R are listed as "OE", which is the same as the term "OEM" mentioned in the article you're referring to. In other words, these versions are only sold as part of prebuilt bikes.

You'll see that the RL is stripped of Low Speed Compression and Lockout Force Adjust to keep the price down. The R model is also lacking lockout.

The web sites of the other fork manufacturers will give you additional proof to educate your friend with.
It should also be mentioned that manufacturers don't just do this to keep costs down. By stocking a bike with these pared-down parts they ensure additional income from consumers wanting to upgrade to the "real deal." Why else would Fox, et. al., make it so easy to compare OEM parts with their fully functional counterparts?
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The biggest bind you get into is being a newbie and going to a big box. Big boxes don't always have crap and sometimes have good service departments. The problem is, if you're a newbie you just don't know. There's an REI by me who have folks in their bike service department that really know what they're doing. But I wouldn't send someone to just any REI. Likewise a few years ago Costco was selling some no-name brand with a full XT group on it. Don't remember the details but it was a good looking Al. frame and priced at less than you could buy the XT group on Ebay. I almost bought the thing just for the parts. But I wouldn't send anyone to Costco to buy a bike.

Yeah, they aren't always morons selling crap but you just don't know. I do - but most don't. I know all the parts and like to think I'm a pretty fine mechanic. But if you don't know you can easily get burned. I guess the same is true of bike shops, though. Went over to the Performance Bikes across the store from my office yesterday just because it was convenient to have my headset cups swapped into my new frame. Mechanic says: "I'll have to check and see if we have the tools for that". Er.....never mind, dude!
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REI sells Marin bikes... Galyans used to sell good bikes before dick's bought them out.. not all sports stores are totally bad...
at any rate I don't support my local bike shop at all.. I may buy a bike from there because they are the only place to get one, but for everyting else I go to the internet. All the LBS has are overpriced accessories and if I buy a part there they always want to install it and charge me labor, so I order most stuff online.
You know, I do the same thing but sometimes it's good to have one and they need support. I went to my LBS (Green Mountain Sports) to have my headset cups swapped after my above experience at Performance. They said, sure - no sweat. Took 'em 5 minutes so they said "no charge". I was thinking "that ain't right" so I looked around and bought a new pump. Paid more for it than I probably could've but still came out ahead.
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Galyans was a quality store... their inventory has gone downhill since they were bought out. Dick's really sucks.
Dicks' was my favorite sporting goods store. It had outdoors and athletics under one roof ... PLUS cycling gear.

Dicks, Sports Authority, Bass Pros, Gander Mountain, ... they all have problems. Galyan's was perfect.

I haven't been to the anchor store in Indianapolis since Dick's bought them out. But I would guess they found a way to ruin even THAT awesome store.
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