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    air vs spring suspension?

    what is the difference between them?

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    Correct terminology is Coil vs. Air spring.

    Coil is more plush and better for big hit's / big riders.

    Air spring is lighter and much easier to dial in the preload if you have no idea where to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themower View Post
    what is the difference between them?
    One has a metal coil (a spring) for a spring, while the other uses compressed air for a spring.

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    will the air spring suspension be able to handle around 5 foot drops? or is it mostly for going over rough terrain

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    The air forks cold probably handle it as lots of companies have their top freeride/downhill forks with the air system. If you don't really like either you could get 'air assisted springs' which is a fair compromise.
    That's what's on the Marzocchi AM 3 forks i want.

    hope this sort of helps .

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    Oh boy...more sitcom. I give up.

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    In the mountain bike world, you're going to see air sprung suspension for XC applications, and coil springs for DH and freeride. Neither one is "better" than the other.

    In theory, air springs could be used for all types of riding. An example would be aerospace, where some of the largest transport aircraft in the world all use nitrogen sprung landing gear struts.

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    Maybe, because you don't see many coil shocks on 4 inch or less travel bikes? And not too many riders run air on their 8" + DH/FR bikes?

    Syr seems to have a valid observation. His Comment about "Neither one is "beyter" than the other." I am sure is fodder for countless threads.

    I have seen guys race DH on Air, couldnt tell you if they are better or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Fagerlin View Post
    What prompts people to post nonsense like this?
    Because, for the most part, it's true.

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    Is it true about what is said about heavier rides shouldn't use air forks? I'm 200 lbs. and am thinking about getting a fox 32 talas. Will I blow a seal? Also, it's been mentioned that coils are more plush, but I've always thought it was the other way around...

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    200pounds isn't that heavy. And really air shocks and forks have greatly improved over the last several years. I wouldn't really worry about it now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Fagerlin View Post
    There are many folks that do just that, with air sprung FR/DH forks being offered by Rock Shox, Fox, Marzocchi, etc.

    If all of these air sprung forks are being designed, sold and ridden for FR/DH then how does "In the mountain bike world, you're going to see air sprung suspension for XC applications, and coil springs for DH and freeride" make sense?
    So where's the other side? Name some current lightweight coil sprung XC forks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svr View Post
    So where's the other side? Name some current lightweight coil sprung XC forks.
    It mgiht work in that direction, simply because xc guys traditionally worry more about weight, I betcha Marz still has some "lightweight" coil forks. For those of us who prefer the feel of coil. (just checked marz does in fact have 2 coil sprung xc forks)

    But with FOX DHX Air etc...air shocks and forks are becomming more popular in dh and fr. They are standing up to the abuse and even dhiller and freeriders enjoy a little weight saving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Fagerlin View Post
    p.s. Nice way to narrow your comments to "lightweight" XC forks...
    So you agree. It isn't nonsense at all.

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    I have a RST t7 plus fork with 100mm that came stock on my Hardrock SD. It's a XC level fork that is -gasp- coil springed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Fagerlin View Post
    It's not a theory, it's been practice for a while.
    What, in the past two model years? In the "world" of mountain biking, that is, the grand scheme of things, you will see coil springs used mostly for FR/DH applications, and air springs for XC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenLi View Post
    I have a RST t7 plus fork with 100mm that came stock on my Hardrock SD. It's a XC level fork that is -gasp- coil springed.
    Really? It's an XC fork? How many racers use it?

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    now, now. We're just hostile now aren't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Fagerlin View Post
    Nope, it's been longer than that. Even if it had only been two years, it would still show that your "in theory" bit was nonsense. Thanks for the admission.


    Feel free to name a few for me. That is, commonly used DH/FR air sprung forks or shocks in production for over two years. How about five years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenLi View Post
    now, now. We're just hostile now aren't we?
    The truth hurts.

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    even if it is two years, it would still put your statement to shame. " Really? It's an XC fork? How many racers use it?" Alright, well how many racers use forks are that more than two years old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svr View Post
    Really? It's an XC fork? How many racers use it?
    Did you ever say "race" fork? Is that all there is to XC is racing?
    Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Fagerlin View Post
    What's interesting is that you're continuing to try and recast the discussion in a vain effort to obscure the simple fact that your post was, and is, nonsense.
    http://www.marzocchi.com/template/li...30710&offset=2

    Hardly.

    Please count the number of air spring vs. coil sprung FR/DH forks in Marzocchi's lineup. Coil still represents the vast majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker66 View Post
    Did you ever say "race" fork? Is that all there is to XC is racing?
    Have you ever seen an "XC" fork marketed for something other than racing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svr View Post
    Have you ever seen an "XC" fork marketed for something other than racing?
    You are not serious? Wait while I.......
    Do you ride Tsali alot?
    Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......

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