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Old 09-15-07, 10:15 PM
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Getting First XC Bike

Well, I've been riding as a roadie for a while now. I own a Trek 2100 and Madone 5.5 (which I love, by the way). However, riding only on the ride has become, well, pretty lame. A couple weeks ago I went out with a few friends XC mountain biking. My friend let me borrow is Fuel (pretty much everything is Trek) and I have to say I was hooked. This by no means is going to make me stop road biking, just that I want to expand my horizons.

Now, I don't want to go overkill and buy what I don't need. I'm only 14, and I buy most everything myself, with the exception of my Madone (which I got as a Christmas present+the fact I got perfect marks in classes that were sophmores level versus 8th grade level). The only reason I'm considering buying another bike is becuase I sold a car for a neighbor for almost $15g's and got 3gs out of it (!).

I was considering a Top Fuel 8 or Ex 8/9. However, whats the difference between XC and XCR bikes? Is there a difference in performance vs. comfort? I'm already used to being crushed into unnatural positions, so I can do 100% performance/0% comfort.

I also know little about mountain bike parts. I don't know the fork companies, who makes the best discs, and what pedals offer the most mud clearance. I'd need you guys to steer me clear of the crap but save me from going overkill.

One more thing- Can XC bikes take small drops? I'd like to ride this thing around the city, and I could save 5 minutes by taking a droptastic to shortcut to school. The drops are about one or two feet high.


PS- I assume that SIDI Dominators are good shoes? I already own a pair, so that'd be convenient.

PPS- Can I use my Pneumo as a helmet? Is there any benefit as to having a full helmet/whatever?

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Originally Posted by Zumba
Look for bikes with Shimano Alivio and Acera parts. Those are the equivalent of Dura-Ace/Ultegra. SRAM X.5 is the equivalent of Campagnolo Record. They're actually the same company, both owned by Publishers Clearing House.

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WHO LIEK THAT MEANS I CAN GET TEH GRAEST GROUP EVAR ON A 200 BUCK BIKE!!!!11111

Well, thanks for trying to mislead me. I know that SRAM X.0 is SRAM's top-of-the-line group and Shimano XTR is theres. I Can't say anything about the fork/brakes.

I have SIDI Dominators becuase they're easy to walk in.

"Good luck on your search and congrats on being an 8th grade genius."
Genius isn't the proper word. It's more along the lines of smart and dedicated. The last thing I want to do is end up with a crappy job trashing fourteen year old kids on an internet forum.

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Old 09-16-07, 11:03 AM
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hey hooter honker or whatever your immature ****** bag of a name is... get a life. im new on this board and i've seen two of your posts only so far and let me tell you how bad you suck as a person. you spend the day trying to make fun of teenagers and trying to hit on chicks on a bicycle forum. good place to pick up chicks. speaking of teenagers, are you eleventeen yourself "hooter honker". i can assume you havent ever "honked" any hooters because anyone who has would never ever ever say those two words together...only worthless scum like yourself. go slit your wrists son.

sorry about that man. yeah your shoes are perfect as long as you feel they are rigid enough and whatnot. oh and once again hooter honker, some road bikers buy mtb shoes so they can actually walk off their bike. its kinda like common sense for those of us who have it... sorry i'm gonna take shots at this ****** every chance i get. components essentially through shimano deore is ehhhh kinda raceable if u must but lx is entry level race and xt and xtr are both excellent quality that i'd love to own. sram makes the x5 which is probably somewhere around deore or lx and same with x7. i'd say x9 is like xt and x0 would be xtr. i'm totally not an expert but i've been researchin my butt off this last week so i'm at least mostly right. forks: fox is light and amazing so if u can get a bike with a fox fork it will be lighter like ur used to from road biking and stiffer which is good since ur young. i like fairly rigid bikes and i'm 22 but i esp did when i was ur age cuz your body can handle anything. rock shox from low to high go dart, tora, recon, sid, reba i believe. i may be leavin something out btw. i have heard bad things about manitou so i'd stay away if possible. disc brakes arent really worth spending money on unless you just ride in mud a lot or care a lot about brakes. i'm leanin towards the base model stumpjumper (specialized) because its light and has good components, linear brakes, and a fox fork so they spent money upgrading the parts i care about. talk to your local bike shop because although they are looking to make a sale, they seem to care about your happiness at least so take what they say with a grain of salt. oh i have also heard that sram components are a little better from some people. my lbs said they are higher quality and easier to work on but that was a specialized dealer who told me that and a lot of his bikes come with sram so i dunno. hope i was able to help a little bit man. i have a similar thread going looking for help or guidance so i'm tryin to spread the love. oh and i didnt mention alivio or whatev for a reason...it would never be competive and you probably are so whats the point eh
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Old 09-16-07, 11:11 AM
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His name is Zumba. And from what I've read, all of his posts have been a severe waste of my time. He owes me ten minutes of my life. All of his posts seem to be sarcastic, unhelpful, and blatantly irritating. He seems to enjoy being condescending, and I honestly hope that he doesn't act the same way in real life.

@Votebam= Giant wall of text. But I read it. =)

I'm not competitive, but I can appreciate a nice bike. I do like to push all of my bikes to the limit though.
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Seventy Seven-

You'll get plenty of great advice here. Unfortunately, you'll also have to skate around immature postings from a few bad apples like 'Zumba', who tend to waste space and other people's time. Best thing to do with such trolls is to ignore them and don't respond to them. Looks like you're pretty savvy to this anyway- obviously you're immensely more mature than this guy 'Zumba'.
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"As for the shoes, not being able to walk in them is a sacrifice most roadies are willing to take, especially those who own Trek Madones. Road shoes are not only much lighter, but they allow you to use larger road specific cleats."

Not a sacrifice I'm taking. Most guys at my LBS use MTB Shoes, even one who rides a track bike.

"You'll get plenty of great advice here. Unfortunately, you'll also have to skate around immature postings from a few bad apples like 'Zumba', who tend to waste space and other people's time. Best thing to do with such trolls is to ignore them and don't respond to them. Looks like you're pretty savvy to this anyway- obviously you're immensely more mature than this guy 'Zumba'."

Advice taken.
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haha sorry about my wall of text. i was just waking up and went on an unorganized ramble.

zumba- i told the kid i'm not an expert and i might be wrong but instead of pointing out that my info on the rockshox was wrong, why dont you just tell me WHY i am wrong and how it really goes instead of trying unsuccessfully to put me down. you are a waste of space... aka you are worthless, you suck.

what do you care what i have been doing? and why would you assume that i dropped outta school when in reality i'm about to graduate from texas tech?

i heard that manitou the company the sucks, not specific models. all of them. not complicated but you allllmost found another stupid unimportant point to make *******. close. haha
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SeventySeven - A few things to consider:
1) Budget - This will help determine what you should be looking at. You mentioned $3,000, but I'm not sure if this was the amount you were actually looking to spend.
2) It sounds like XC is what you are interested in. Providing this information to people at your LBS will help them direct you to some viable options.
3) Ride as many bikes as you can. If possible, don't just look at one LBS. As you are probably aware from road biking, geometry is an important factor in fit. There is some variability between different brands of mountain bikes, so the more you can ride, the easier it will be to narrow down what is comfortable for you.
4) Though I don't use Sidi Dominators, I do have a friend who has been happy with them. If you already use them with your road bike, it might be nice to not have to get a new pair of shoes for your mountain bike. Consider that they will likely get more beat up on the trails in the mud, water, etc., however.
5) As far as components, it sounds like you are pretty well versed already. If I were you, I'd ignore Zumba's post about Alvio and Acera.
6) In my experience on this forum, you'll get a lot of opposing opinions on forks. If you're looking at a $3,000 budget, you can probably be pretty comfortable that your fork will perform just fine. As you get more into mountain biking, you may look to upgrade to something more suitable to your riding style, but at the outset I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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Old 09-16-07, 02:14 PM
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My budget is around the 2.5g mark since I want to get a good bike, but have money left to buy pedals and change anything else I want to.
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Originally Posted by SeventySeven
Well, I've been riding as a roadie for a while now. I own a Trek 2100 and Madone 5.5 (which I love, by the way). However, riding only on the ride has become, well, pretty lame. A couple weeks ago I went out with a few friends XC mountain biking. My friend let me borrow is Fuel (pretty much everything is Trek) and I have to say I was hooked. This by no means is going to make me stop road biking, just that I want to expand my horizons.

Now, I don't want to go overkill and buy what I don't need. I'm only 14, and I buy most everything myself, with the exception of my Madone (which I got as a Christmas present+the fact I got perfect marks in classes that were sophmores level versus 8th grade level). The only reason I'm considering buying another bike is becuase I sold a car for a neighbor for almost $15g's and got 3gs out of it (!).

I was considering a Top Fuel 8 or Ex 8/9. However, whats the difference between XC and XCR bikes? Is there a difference in performance vs. comfort? I'm already used to being crushed into unnatural positions, so I can do 100% performance/0% comfort.

I also know little about mountain bike parts. I don't know the fork companies, who makes the best discs, and what pedals offer the most mud clearance. I'd need you guys to steer me clear of the crap but save me from going overkill.

One more thing- Can XC bikes take small drops? I'd like to ride this thing around the city, and I could save 5 minutes by taking a droptastic to shortcut to school. The drops are about one or two feet high.

PS- I assume that SIDI Dominators are good shoes? I already own a pair, so that'd be convenient.

PPS- Can I use my Pneumo as a helmet? Is there any benefit as to having a full helmet/whatever?

First things first. If you want to "expand your horizons", you should look for other bikes than Treks. There's a lot out there, and theres a lot of complaints about Treks. Companies like Specialized (Stumpy FSR), Santa Cruz (Blur), Gary Fisher, all have Full-suspension XC offerings.

For forks, you want something from Rockshox or Fox. The F100 is an awesome fork. Rockshox's offerings are supposed to be decent too. Any MTB should be able to take 1-2 foot drops.

For disc brakes, you want something from Avid, Formula, Magura, etc. I've heard good things about Hayes higher level stuff but there are lots of complaints about their lower line.

If you're talking about bb clearance, that varies in the frame.
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14 yrs old, a 2100, a madone 5.5, and now a 2000+ dollar XC bike.

Two out of three you're buying with your own money? Can you even legally work?


And where do I trade in my parents?


In your price range, any bike you buy will be awesome. Buy the one you love when you ride it.
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Originally Posted by M_S
14 yrs old, a 2100, a madone 5.5, and now a 2000+ dollar XC bike.

Two out of three you're buying with your own money? Can you even legally work?


And where do I trade in my parents?


In your price range, any bike you buy will be awesome. Buy the one you love when you ride it.
Biking is the only thing I have in my life, excluding friends, I guess. I don't play video games, etc. All my money goes to bikes, and equipment.

Yes, I can legally work, and I work full-time during the summer. =)

As for expanding my horizons, the only LBS I have within 50 miles is a Trek dealer. Of course, I could ride my bike there, but getting back would be a problem if I have to get another bike.
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I agree with junkyard, ride as many different bikes as you can. or if you like Trek, get a Trek. Pick what you want and then get picky about componets later.

I think you can get a much better bike with $2500 from another brand, just because Trek is so over priced
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Originally Posted by SeventySeven
Biking is the only thing I have in my life, excluding friends, I guess. I don't play video games, etc. All my money goes to bikes, and equipment.
You definitely can spend your money on thing worse than cycling. The physical fitness of kids these days ain't what they used to be when I was a kid. My mom used to have to physically drag me in for dinner. Now, parents have to push the kids outside to get fresh air.

As you probably know, bicycles are a very personal experience. Trek puts together some pretty decent packages; also your Trek dealer probably sells Gary Fisher (owned by Trek) and one bike that I've been eyeing is the Fisher Hi-Fi, which is within your budget.

I agree with Little Leo - buy a complete bike now, and "upgrade" later. Also, realize, you are still growing, so that'll give you an excuse to buy in the near future. It's hard to make sweeping generalizations of "best equipment", but my preferences:

fork: Fox (consistently well made products)
pedal: Shimano 520's (easy in/out, adjustable tension, great mud clearing)
brakes: Avid Juicy (pretty refined system)
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Originally Posted by votebam1090

i heard that manitou the company the sucks, not specific models. all of them. not complicated but you allllmost found another stupid unimportant point to make *******. close. haha
I have heard the same thing but I will say that my personal experience has been much different.

As far as 14 yr olds and good bikes.my son rids a really nicely built Enduro and he has worked and paid for all of it except for the fork which was a hand me down Vanilla I was more than happy to get rid of. Happy shopping SeventySeven.
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i guess part of the reason i'm also saying that is because i have a manitou right now and i have it set as stiff as it goes and the thing is still sloppy as hell. what other smaller bike companies are you guys talking about that have better bang for your buck prices? i'm looking to buy a bike between $1000-1500 and am leaning towards a stumpjumper but i'd love to spend my money more wisely if i find another bike which feels as good. i have access to four local bike shops
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your fork could need a fix
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Originally Posted by votebam1090
i guess part of the reason i'm also saying that is because i have a manitou right now and i have it set as stiff as it goes and the thing is still sloppy as hell. what other smaller bike companies are you guys talking about that have better bang for your buck prices? i'm looking to buy a bike between $1000-1500 and am leaning towards a stumpjumper but i'd love to spend my money more wisely if i find another bike which feels as good. i have access to four local bike shops
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wait, im confused
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I'd get a TREK from your LBS
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its a manitou magnum from like 2000...i guess it needs a rebuild. how often do you have to rebuild a shock to keep it running at 90% performance or better?
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Originally Posted by BenLi
First things first. If you want to "expand your horizons", you should look for other bikes than Treks. There's a lot out there, and theres a lot of complaints about Treks. Companies like Specialized (Stumpy FSR), Santa Cruz (Blur), Gary Fisher, all have Full-suspension XC offerings.

For forks, you want something from Rockshox or Fox. The F100 is an awesome fork. Rockshox's offerings are supposed to be decent too. Any MTB should be able to take 1-2 foot drops.

For disc brakes, you want something from Avid, Formula, Magura, etc. I've heard good things about Hayes higher level stuff but there are lots of complaints about their lower line.

If you're talking about bb clearance, that varies in the frame.
Just to add a couple more contenders to benli's list-
Fork- Marzocchi, Manitou(higher end), Magura
Bike frames- Transition, Titus, Yeti, Kona, Turner and Giant.
Disc brakes-Hope

Since you made easy money, I'd get good equipment, you could always sell it down the line for better price or upgrades. Good luck and keep us posted on which bike you pick.
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77, if you have a good local Trek dealer, look at the EX8. It's in your price range, and the 08s are a huge improvement over 07. Good, solid components, excellent suspension (with new rear setup) and the fit & finish is outstanding.
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I think Zumba is trying to be Pete.
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Dude, why don't you tone down your price range and plug it into a savings account or some index funds? I know you want to get a good bike but aren't you worried you'll outgrow it by the time you're 18? Maybe spend $2000?

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