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Old 10-02-07, 08:45 PM   #1
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Anyone have these shoes? Lake MX165

I ordered these from the states, and after it was all said and done, cost me about 2x what they're worth. But as stated in this thread, I can't get them here in my size. These are size 46.

So, what I want to know, is this normal? They are pretty tight all around, and I barely have to tighten the laces OR the velcro straps at all. Here's the pic of the straps... As you can see, there is more than an inch of unused velcro on the shoe. While I am sure that's better than having extra strap hanging off, I wasn't sure if THIS was good.

Anybody know if that's normal?

I hate buying new shoes... It take 6 months for me to know if they fit well. By that time, it's almost time for another pair.. Any help is appreciated. I can't afford to ship and reship these, and don't have the next size up to compare. My Vasque trail running shoe is size 12 (45.5) and Shimano clipless size 46.
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Old 10-02-07, 09:55 PM   #2
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Hey, Man-

Ok, I have THAT shoe on my right foot RIGHT NOW just like in your picture, just snug not vice-like, just enough to keep anything from being sloppy inside. Oh, and this is spec'd WIDE US 11.5-12 EU 46. There is about half as much velcro showing as yours.

I would say that most of the shoes that I have that fit me (in normal, not wide sizes) are an average of US 11. Shimano, I have successfully worn sizes 45.5.and 46.

I also just now put on one of my Shimano shoes size 46 and there's at least 1" of velcro showing under the top-most strap.

Don't know really what more to say- I also don't have to really tighten the straps, I just pull 'em through till there's no slack in the strap. One thing I have learned about wearing cycling shoes is that they loosen up after you get to riding/moving/warming up, which I guess means they expand a bit with activity. I almost ALWAYS have to stop and tighten after warm-up.

I wouldn't be concerned about how much velcro shows, just as long as there is sufficient velcro to attatch to. If they're a bit tight just trying them on, they may very likely get looser upon riding. And of course the material will stretch a bit, too- which brings to mind that a cobbler should be able to do some artificial stretching for you.
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The velcro is sized correctly...if you have deer hooves instead of feet.

Size 46 MX190's are too small for me also. Size 12 5050's are a little on the large side. Go figure.
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Have you ever played hockey? Your bike shoes should fit like a pair of skates. Snug, but never to the point of being uncomfortable. As long as the Velcro holds, I wouldn't give it a second thought.
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I ordered these from the states, and after it was all said and done, cost me about 2x what they're worth. But as stated in this thread, I can't get them here in my size. These are size 46.

So, what I want to know, is this normal? They are pretty tight all around, and I barely have to tighten the laces OR the velcro straps at all. Here's the pic of the straps... As you can see, there is more than an inch of unused velcro on the shoe. While I am sure that's better than having extra strap hanging off, I wasn't sure if THIS was good.

Anybody know if that's normal?

I hate buying new shoes... It take 6 months for me to know if they fit well. By that time, it's almost time for another pair.. Any help is appreciated. I can't afford to ship and reship these, and don't have the next size up to compare. My Vasque trail running shoe is size 12 (45.5) and Shimano clipless size 46.
Buying shoes you can not try on first is a crap shoot for fit. If you are not willing or able to return ill fitting shoes, do not order them.
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Buying shoes you can not try on first is a crap shoot for fit. If you are not willing or able to return ill fitting shoes, do not order them.
Duh. Obviously.
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Buying shoes you can not try on first is a crap shoot for fit. If you are not willing or able to return ill fitting shoes, do not order them.
Thanks for the hindsight. . I am more unwilling to go back to toe clips than I am to reship shoes.

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Hey, Man-

Ok, I have THAT shoe on my right foot RIGHT NOW just like in your picture, just snug not vice-like, just enough to keep anything from being sloppy inside. Oh, and this is spec'd WIDE US 11.5-12 EU 46. There is about half as much velcro showing as yours.
Hmm, ok.. Thanks for the input and the trouble. Mine aren't wide, so maybe yours have more velcro to begin with, which would explain the difference. I also don't have deer hooves for feet, so that's a bonus I guess.

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Don't know really what more to say- I also don't have to really tighten the straps, I just pull 'em through till there's no slack in the strap. One thing I have learned about wearing cycling shoes is that they loosen up after you get to riding/moving/warming up, which I guess means they expand a bit with activity. I almost ALWAYS have to stop and tighten after warm-up.
Everything I have read on the subject is contrary to what you're saying. As I understand it, the design these shoes NOT to stretch. Not to mention I would imagine after warmup your feet would swell some, not visa versa. It's surprising that you have to tighten yours after youride some. I don't know. . . I also read from a couple of other people some unsuccessful stretching attempts from cobblers. So I don't know, every shoe I've ever worn has stretched and broken in, but they say these don't. I have an email into Lake, I'll post what they say. Thanks again for the input.
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Thanks for the hindsight. . I am more unwilling to go back to toe clips than I am to reship shoes...
Not being willing to return shoes will not make them fit any better. A poor fit is a poor fit. Very little you can do to change it.
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Duh. Obviously.
Except to the OP apparently.
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Not being willing to return shoes will not make them fit any better. A poor fit is a poor fit. Very little you can do to change it.
Thank you for your analysis. Apparently you misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that I am more willing to ship them back than I am to give up clipless shoes in general. Does that help?

That's what I meant by:

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Thank you for your analysis. Apparently you misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that I am more willing to ship them back than I am to give up clipless shoes in general. Does that help?

That's what I meant by:
That is not what you wrote in your first post!
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...I hate buying new shoes... It take 6 months for me to know if they fit well. By that time, it's almost time for another pair.. Any help is appreciated. I can't afford to ship and reship these, and don't have the next size up to compare...
Sounds like you have never had a shoe that fits correctly and/or have no idea what a good fit is.
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Shiggy-

I would suggest you try and offer help/advice to this guy rather than continuing to state the obvious. I don't think he needs any help with that.

sixfingeredman-

I'm sure it sucks to have to consider sending the shoes back. Make sure that there's no way the cobbler could help you, even rebuilding a critical part of the shoe? I suppose you now know what size you DO need!
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That is not what you wrote in your first post!
Does an exclamation point mean you are yelling? Because we obviously have different levels of reading comprehension. I am now feeling what Pete is always talking about. However, I am sorry if I was unclear in my original post to you. I should have said, "I can't afford to ship the shoes roundtrip, try on another pair, then reship roundtrip to try on, again, a third pair." But for the sake of my sixfingered-typing I abbreviated, and got yelled at. <sniff> I'll have to post in that "respect" sub-forum again.

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Sounds like you have never had a shoe that fits correctly and/or have no idea what a good fit is.
Now this maybe true. I feel like every time I buy any new shoe, I don't know what a good fit is, because they never fit as good as my nice comfy, broken-in shoes I've been wearing. As I said before I hate buying new shoes. When it comes to the clipless shoes, I have only had the one pair, and they were a hair big, I simply tightened them down a bunch and made them work. The new Lakes appear like a completely different shoe.
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I'm sure it sucks to have to consider sending the shoes back. Make sure that there's no way the cobbler could help you, even rebuilding a critical part of the shoe? I suppose you now know what size you DO need!
Why yes, the thought does suck, and that's why I appealed here. Trying not to go to the last resort.

I am sure you will all be glad to know that the shoes that I have, I would like to dub, "A Perfect Fit". Not just a good fit, a perfect one. I will briefly accept the title of idiot, when I tell you the reason they were so tight.

The way those shoes are, when I had first laced them up, I had laced them too tight. I guess being new, when I was slipping them on and off, the laces didn't loosen much. So when I realized this, loosened the laces, retied, and restrapped, they were much better. I mean fantastic. I have a half inch in front of my big toe, the shoes fit like a glove. Shaggy, I am sure you will be excited to hear that now I KNOW how they should fit.

My first ride with them was awesome, and they are a great shoe I would recommend to anyone.
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Almost Nirvana when a shoe fits well.

I also love MY Lake MX165's.
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So, what I got outta this thread:
1) Don't buy shoes online unless you know what you're getting

2) Sixfingeredman is not just a screen name, it's a discription. I think:
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So....Where did we land on the exclamation point? Is it a form of internet shouting? or does it simply show emphasis? Maybe we should start a poll.
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So, what I got outta this thread:
1) Don't buy shoes online unless you know what you're getting
Agreed, with one edit. I have been successful, by averaging shoe sizes I purchased previously from different manufacturers, how I thought they fit, and thereby projecting a possible size by inquiring of other owners and their averaged numbers, all while hanging upside down from a byplane while wearing a clown suit.. Little bit of trouble, but worth it in the end for me. (clown suit thing was a joke, I am afraid of clowns.)

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You got that right. Can we also assume that you love bikes? Why don't you marry one?
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