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Old 08-23-03, 06:03 PM   #1
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Components or Complete?

ok heres my situation, i have a 2002 Kona Hahanna that my dad found in the forest one day, it had been sitting there for a few weeks from the looks of it. Reported it in to the cops, nobody claimed so its my bike. 8 months later i finally go down a good community type path through woods and everything, it paved with stones and now im loving it, did a good 5 hours of riding today and i wanna run some real dirt type trails, like single trails i think they are called. From the looks of it my bike may or may not be up to the challenge as i probly am classified as i beginner.

So im 16 years old, part time job, so i got some money and i wanna know. Should i upgrade parts on this Kona or go shopping for a new bike next year when ill have a decent sum of money saved up. I went shopping today and the shop guy told me id be better off with a new bike, for $900 get a complete alluminum frame better shocks, Judy TT i have Judy S. I thought about that and asked for prices on shocks, Judy TT cost me about $270 CND, Duke about $500. Then id probly wanna upgrade my alivio/acera deralliuers, new bar for comfort reasons (riser). So im saying im spending a good $1000 either way but im thinkin im gettin more from buying compenents rather than buy a new bike.

My logic is for $1000 in canadain funds, i get a bike with either good shocks but not too shabby drivetrain, or good overall but not great, great drivetrain with cheapo fork. So i invest $1000 into my Kona and have a nice custom set up with all around good stuff. Does my logic sound right? Feel free to tear up my ideas, im here to learn.
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This one is simple. If you really like the feel of the bike upgrade it. 1000$ into a xc frame does a lot. If the bike feels off or you aren't 100% sure it will take you where you want to go replace it
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well the only thing i have problems with is its a little long but a riser bar and shorter stem could solve that
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So, let's take the discussion a little farther...

I am just starting to get into this biking thing and balking big time at the price tags of new bikes. It reminds me of about 10 years ago when I started to get into computers and did the same thing.

To save some cash, I learned how to build my own computer rigs and found an added benefit of knowing exactly what was in my machine, which made troubleshooting a whole lot better.

Does this carry over to MTB'ing? I have some questions about the components in my "off the rack" MTB and I don't necessarily trust someone who wants to sell me a whole new bike every time I walk in or a high school student who knows less than I do.

To make a short story long, I feel comfortable doing most small-medium repairs myself, so can I save money by doing "upgrades" of components myself or is there a gremlin out there waiting to bite me? I guess I would like some advice for a newbie who wants to improve his rig as cheaply as possible.
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Old 08-23-03, 08:31 PM   #5
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well the only thing i have problems with is its a little long but a riser bar and shorter stem could solve that
Easily. And with some decent upgrades to fork and wheels and other components you would have a kickass xc bike
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what do u think the first thing i should upgrade be?
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So, let's take the discussion a little farther...

I am just starting to get into this biking thing and balking big time at the price tags of new bikes. It reminds me of about 10 years ago when I started to get into computers and did the same thing.

To save some cash, I learned how to build my own computer rigs and found an added benefit of knowing exactly what was in my machine, which made troubleshooting a whole lot better.

Does this carry over to MTB'ing? I have some questions about the components in my "off the rack" MTB and I don't necessarily trust someone who wants to sell me a whole new bike every time I walk in or a high school student who knows less than I do.

To make a short story long, I feel comfortable doing most small-medium repairs myself, so can I save money by doing "upgrades" of components myself or is there a gremlin out there waiting to bite me? I guess I would like some advice for a newbie who wants to improve his rig as cheaply as possible.
I lived that life too. Built my own computers cheaper than they were sold on the market. Here is my take on this industry.

Most people agree it is cheaper to buy a bike outright and ride it. This gives you the chance to get on the bike faster and than upgrade the bike as you go. This ends up being more expensive than building the bike from scratch. If I had been able to buy my 2002 Roast frame and build it as is now I would have spent around 1800$ cdn. As it is I bought the bike outright and upgraded, this made my total cost 2500$ but I rode the first day and only stopped for winter. Now that comparing apples to oranges.

If per chance you found a bike with all the speced parts you wanted on a bike, you more than likely could not beat that price. However thats the caveat, there is almost no such thing. So I do believe comparing custom bikes to 'custom speced' bikes it is cheaper and more useful to build on your own. But again it is the waiting thing. I want to ride so I again would spend more.

This of course doesn't apply if you get bro deal, pro deals or are an ebay/used shopper. If you are an effective ebay shopper and know some shop rats who 'give deals' you can build a bike cheaper. I suck at ebay (don't do it) and I do get some inside deals due to the rules of give and take (I give some free computer service they sell stuff to me cheap) so building for me is a small option (I am in fact building my next bike with the intention of learning the entire process and very custom spec, this will cost a lot), otherwise I will buy outright and upgrade as I go, as I am a guy who wants to be on the trail tommorow.

Hope that makes some sense.
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The only reference I could find to the bike is here

http://www.pricetool.com/bicycles_20...ay_~full_specs

Going by those spec's I would

1 - get a better fork. If you are looking for a pure xc go with rock shoxx. Sorry I don't know diddly about xc forks so beyond that I can't say exactly what to buy.
2 - Replace the entire drive train. Rear hub (lx) cassette(9spd), rear derailer and shifter pod.
3 - replace both wheels with LX hub or XT laced onto ryno lites or something similar.

Those would be what I attacked first. Things to keep an eye on would be the bb (I dont even know what that type is) and maybe later the brakes. These are low end brakes but they work well when setup rght. My gf runs these and trust me, they stop you REALLY well ...

The bonus is, this is a steel frame. Quite the find and worth upgrading.
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its funner to do things yourself, and as mael pointed out, if you shop wisely you do save some money. course, if you go this route i'd suggest you stay away from bike shops (1. they sell parts more expensive than mail order companies, 2. they sometimes don't want to lose business by telling people how to do repairs/installs).

as to what to upgrade first, i agree with mael that wheels/tires and fork will make the biggest difference in the ride, but can also be very costly, depending on what you want to do. the most important thing to decide is whether or not the frame is really worth upgrading (do you fit the geometry of the bike). i made the mistake of upgrading frames that had less-than-perfect fit, and wasted a lot of money.
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I believe the '02 and '03 are the same, check here for specs

Hahanna specs

If you plan on riding XC mostly then I would say up grade.

If you think you may be more interested in DH/freeriding then hold off and buy a FS rig.

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well i did my first trail today, single path in a wooded area, reallly rocky, my Rock Shock Indy S was taking a beating, and i was goin pretty slow/moderate speed. Lost traction goin uphilll a couple times, fell off and rolled down a hill right into a boulder, got some nice scrapes and bruise, but it was a pretty good experience.

Im thinkin of gettin a new fork first, not sure what to go with though
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Depends on your riding and if you care about weight. That will determine what fork to get.
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Old 08-24-03, 04:58 PM   #13
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dont care about weight, my fork weighs like 4.7 lbs i think. My trails around here are bumpy with lots of rocks and im not goin too fast. Id rather have a good solid fork with some travel then a light flexible fork i could break.
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What price range are you trying to stay in for the fork?
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i think you should buildup your current bike. i suggest looking for a good donor bike. if you have some money to spend, eBay would be a good route, even better if the seller is within driving distance (no shipping fee). www.craigslist.org is a good place if you are near a major city.

i have purchased a couple of bikes on eBay. they were both in very good/perfect condition. the better of the two was a gt lts-1. this is an older fs bike that had never been off-road. it had 8spd xt/xtr components along with spinergy's and an extra set of unused mavic's, among other parts. i bought everything for about $525. i am unfortunately parting it out since it is too big, but will keep some items, notably spinergy's and other cf components. doing so, with the monies earned from selling components separately, i should break even or make money, not including the hundreds of dollars i have worth of parts (spinergy's alone fetch about $300).

if you so please, do some searching on eBay for a bike in good/very good condition. using some parts from it and then reselling the ones you don't need should cut costs.

otherwise, if you want to purchase piece-by-piece, then visit the online stores, and use coupons if possible (there is one for 20% off at performance bike in the 'hot deals' section).

sorry for the long post...good luck.
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