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Old 12-09-07, 01:29 PM   #1
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Bashing Panaracer

I was at the LBS a couple weeks ago and saw that they had some Panaracer Spike V studded tires for $20 each. I had been considering getting some studded tires for winter MTBing and wanting to support the LBS I figured these would do. I ended up buying 4 for mine and my wifeís bike.

After the fact I did a bit of research and realized that these were not the best tires and many people had gotten them cheaper. Even so I figured theyíd work alright for at least one winter. I was wrong. These tires are junk.

The first time I used them I lost 25 studs from my rear tire. It was 15F and we were riding on very tame MTB trails with about 2" of snow over partially frozen ground. We only ended up staying out for about 1/2 hour because my wife's feet got cold. So there you have it, 25 studs in 1/2 hour in conditions for which this tire should have been designed. I took the bike out for about 2hrs in 35F weather with wet snow on the trails, and now have only a handful of studs remaining in my rear tire. My front has lost about 2 dozen. My wifeís tires have also lost the majority of their studs.

When these tires were made the designers had to know that they would not hold up for even one ride, yet they were sold anyway. I have a real problem with a company that would do this. I had been considering buying some Panaracer Fire XC tires in the spring, but I now will try another company's product.

I'm going to contact the LBS, but I donít know if I can expect them to do much. I may end up stuck with four tires I donít want. Not wanting to waste them, Iíll probably end up riding the better part of next year on POS tires when Iíd rather be running something else.
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Old 12-09-07, 01:39 PM   #2
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Wow, that's messed up. The LBS should take them back, it's their fault as well for carrying junk tires and selling them to their customers.
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Wow, that's messed up. The LBS should take them back, it's their fault as well for carrying junk tires and selling them to their customers.
Yea, maybe the LBS can get some re-embursement from PR. I hate to put it all on them. Around here biking isn't big businness. The shops have to pay rent and stock dozens of bikes and every common part, yet it's so easy to get on the net and find a better deal without leaving the house. Still, when it comes time to buy a bike you have to have them if you want to try what you buy. That's why if a shop is helpful, I'll try to find some things to buy from them.

They probably took a chance on the tires, couldn't even sell many and now might have to take some losses. Of course if they treat me right, I do spend a lot of money on bikes and parts.
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Yeah that's just unfortunate for all parties. 25 studs, that's crazy
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I know when you buy Nokians you are supposed to ride for 30 road miles to seat the studs in the tire properly (unless you buy them from Peter White). That comes from the manufacturer. Maybe these were the same way and it was overlooked? When I got my nokians, I could tell by looking at them that some of the studs weren't seated well. Anyway, hope it works out for you.
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