Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Mountain Biking Mountain biking is one of the fastest growing sports in the world. Check out this forum to discuss the latest tips, tricks, gear and equipment in the world of mountain biking.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-13-07, 06:29 PM   #1
xcracer13
Nitro
Thread Starter
 
xcracer13's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: canyon lake, tx
Bikes: Salsa
Posts: 829
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
UCI course question

How come in UCI races like world cup and that type of stuff you rarely see a very technical course?
xcracer13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-07, 07:01 PM   #2
dminor 
Moar cowbell
 
dminor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: The 509
Bikes: are awesome.
Posts: 12,427
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
There's no French term for "sick gnar," so they don't know how to do 'em.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Twain
"Don't argue with stupid people; they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
dminor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-07, 06:36 AM   #3
erhan
Newbie
 
erhan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 708
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by xcracer13 View Post
How come in UCI races like world cup and that type of stuff you rarely see a very technical course?
I assume it's because a very technical course would be an advantage to the technically skilled riders only.

I don't know how the UCI race courses are determined in the US or anywhere else, but here (C1 and C2, no world cup yet), it's done by the cycling federation. Usually, after the course is partially marked, the UCI official checks the course if it includes varieties, and then he notifies the organizers for any modifications that needs to be done. In the end they always come up with a somewhat balanced course, technically.

here's the UCI regulations about courses:

Course
4.2.012 The course for a cross-country race should include a variety of terrain such as road sections,
forest tracks, fields, and earth or gravel paths, and include significant amounts of climbing and
descending. Paved or tarred/asphalt roads should not exceed 15% of the total course.
(text modified on 25.09.07).
4.2.013 The course must be wholly ridable even in difficult weather conditions. Parallel sections
must be provided on sections of the course likely to deteriorate easily.
(text modified on 25.09.07).
4.2.014 [Article transferred to art. 4.1.043 on 25.09.07].
4.2.015 Extended single track sections must have periodic passing sections.
4.2.016 [Article transferred to art. 4.1.042 on 25.09.07].
4.2.017 On the course for a cross-country event at world championships, continental championships
and world cup and Hors Classe events, provision must be made for at least 6 crossing points for
spectators. The crossings must be marshalled on each side.
(text modified on 25.09.07).

Last edited by erhan; 12-22-07 at 03:31 AM.
erhan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-07, 07:00 AM   #4
BFG
Just say no to brakes.
 
BFG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Perth...Western Australia
Bikes: All the TGMBG mums
Posts: 1,693
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dminor View Post
There's no French term for "sick gnar," so they don't know how to do 'em.
"Zees course are...how you say...gnarcore?"
BFG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-07, 11:38 AM   #5
ZeCanon
Writin' stuff
 
ZeCanon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Boulder, CO
Bikes:
Posts: 3,782
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Because Euros are pansies


No but really, it's so that mtb races stay races, and not "who can run faster over the unrideable sections" (see collegiate nationals this year...). They are supposed to be fast, not necessarily super technical. UCI courses focus more in rider fitness than technical skill, to ensure that the strongest rider can win.
ZeCanon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-07, 01:11 PM   #6
BearSquirrel
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 511
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I think a new race category is needed "technical short-track". Basically this would intentionally provide officiated obstacle zones. These could be anything from steep ascents to rockgardens. Riders who "dab" in such a section would be held in a box for a given amount of time, then released. Riders who get off their bike would be held longer. Penalties would set such that getting off your bike and running would be suicide to your time.
BearSquirrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-07, 08:11 AM   #7
apclassic9
Caustic Soccer Mom
 
apclassic9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Millstone WV
Bikes:
Posts: 1,760
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The East Coast NMBS suffers from the same easy-course problem - so long as you can climb & descend quickly, a rider will not be overly challenged by a ski-resort race. I think the problem is that the gnarly trails which can be made into big time races just don't have resort lodging parked next door.
__________________
As with mud, life, too, slides by.
apclassic9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-07, 10:25 AM   #8
mtnbiker66
Old School Rad
 
mtnbiker66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: The old Mountains
Bikes: Blur LT
Posts: 8,212
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Becuse XC guys are a bunch of panty waist sissys.
__________________
Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......
mtnbiker66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-07, 11:26 AM   #9
dminor 
Moar cowbell
 
dminor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: The 509
Bikes: are awesome.
Posts: 12,427
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by apclassic9 View Post
The East Coast NMBS suffers from the same easy-course problem - so long as you can climb & descend quickly, a rider will not be overly challenged by a ski-resort race. I think the problem is that the gnarly trails which can be made into big time races just don't have resort lodging parked next door.
You should have heard the grumbling from the XC crowd when the NMBS was at Schweitzer, ID. Ooooh, there were rocks . . . oooh, there was dust. Freaked 'em out when the course left the fire roads and went into the trails with the rocks and trees. There was areason our local promoter named the Scweitzer stop in our series the "Dirt & Rock Tour,"
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Twain
"Don't argue with stupid people; they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
dminor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-07, 12:39 PM   #10
mcoine
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: southern oregon
Bikes:
Posts: 2,631
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Most of my riding would fall under the "xc" classification, but those "xc" race courses are so boring, its almost nothing like real mountain biking.
mcoine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-07, 01:35 PM   #11
apclassic9
Caustic Soccer Mom
 
apclassic9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Millstone WV
Bikes:
Posts: 1,760
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
everyone but the DHers gripped about Snowshoe, too - the mud! the rocks!
__________________
As with mud, life, too, slides by.
apclassic9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-07, 02:28 AM   #12
pinkrobe
DNPAIMFB
 
pinkrobe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Cowtown, AB
Bikes: Titus El Guapo, Misfit diSSent, Cervelo Soloist Carbon, Wabi Lightning, et al.
Posts: 4,654
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The UCI World Cup in Canmore was pretty sweet. Rocks, steeps, roots, reggae - it was all in there. I was very disappounted to se that they pulled out all the slivk roots on the climb to the Oven. It was all nicely grippy dirt instead. ZBooooo!

I have been drinking a bit of wine.
__________________
Proud Member of the HHCMF
'06 Cervelo Soloist Carbon | '09 Titus El Guapo | '09 Misfit diSSent | '09 Wabi Lightning
pinkrobe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-07, 07:28 AM   #13
markhr
POWERCRANK addict
 
markhr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: North Acton, West London, UK
Bikes:
Posts: 3,783
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BearSquirrel View Post
I think a new race category is needed "technical short-track". Basically this would intentionally provide officiated obstacle zones. These could be anything from steep ascents to rockgardens. Riders who "dab" in such a section would be held in a box for a given amount of time, then released. Riders who get off their bike would be held longer. Penalties would set such that getting off your bike and running would be suicide to your time.
It's an OLD category called "scot(t) trials", i.e., timed course with technical sections with time added for dabs.

http://www.google.com/search?num=100...cott+trials%22
__________________
shameless POWERCRANK plug
Recommended reading for all cyclists - Cyclecraft - Effective Cycling
Condor Cycles - quite possibly the best bike shop in London
Don't run red lights, wear a helmet, use hand signals, get some cycle lights(front and rear) and, FFS, don't run red lights!
markhr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-07, 09:51 AM   #14
mtnbiker66
Old School Rad
 
mtnbiker66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: The old Mountains
Bikes: Blur LT
Posts: 8,212
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by apclassic9 View Post
everyone but the DHers gripped about Snowshoe, too - the mud! the rocks!
I've found that when that is the case, the *****ing comes from riders from areas that are not from areas that are muddy and slick.
__________________
Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......
mtnbiker66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-07, 10:01 AM   #15
junkyard
Fourth Degree Legend
 
junkyard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: American Gardens Building
Bikes: 2005 Kona Cinder Cone & 2010 Cannondale SuperSix
Posts: 3,826
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnbiker66 View Post
Becuse XC guys are a bunch of panty waist sissys.
This is true. Personally, I've been unable to find another pair of durable lace shorts to replace my current ones. The trails have just ripped up the ones from Victoria's Secret.
junkyard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-07, 01:22 PM   #16
dminor 
Moar cowbell
 
dminor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: The 509
Bikes: are awesome.
Posts: 12,427
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
You could try some of the skort offerings - - not lacey but they have a bit of flair . . . .
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Twain
"Don't argue with stupid people; they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
dminor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-07, 01:58 PM   #17
kenhill3
use your best eye
 
kenhill3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Olympia, Washington
Bikes: '75 Bertin, '93 Parkpre Team 925, '04 Kona King Kikapu, '05 Bianchi Vigorelli
Posts: 3,058
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dminor View Post
You could try some of the skort offerings - - not lacey but they have a bit of flair . . . .
Doug, we could probably get this for Junkyard Xmas:

__________________
"I tell you, We are here on earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different." - Kurt Vonnegut jr.
kenhill3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-07, 02:07 PM   #18
junkyard
Fourth Degree Legend
 
junkyard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: American Gardens Building
Bikes: 2005 Kona Cinder Cone & 2010 Cannondale SuperSix
Posts: 3,826
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenhill3 View Post
Doug, we could probably get this for Junkyard Xmas:

Would that gift come with the manicure too? You know how us XC guys like to keep our nails buffed and polished.
junkyard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-07, 02:19 PM   #19
kenhill3
use your best eye
 
kenhill3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Olympia, Washington
Bikes: '75 Bertin, '93 Parkpre Team 925, '04 Kona King Kikapu, '05 Bianchi Vigorelli
Posts: 3,058
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Junkyard-

You betcha on the mannycure. Sharp nails are a must for diggin' splinters outta your hide and for pulling thorns and goat heads out of your tires.
__________________
"I tell you, We are here on earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different." - Kurt Vonnegut jr.
kenhill3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-07, 05:37 PM   #20
apclassic9
Caustic Soccer Mom
 
apclassic9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Millstone WV
Bikes:
Posts: 1,760
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnbiker66 View Post
I've found that when that is the case, the *****ing comes from riders from areas that are not from areas that are muddy and slick.
you know, I distincly recall east coast riders *****ing about the CA courses... to dry! too high!!
__________________
As with mud, life, too, slides by.
apclassic9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-07, 06:45 PM   #21
markhr
POWERCRANK addict
 
markhr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: North Acton, West London, UK
Bikes:
Posts: 3,783
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by apclassic9 View Post
you know, I distincly recall east coast riders *****ing about the CA courses... to dry! too high!!
Take people out of their comfort zone and they just have to tell people about it - loudly, clearly and, until they've had a few beers and relaxed, in a slightly whiny tone.
__________________
shameless POWERCRANK plug
Recommended reading for all cyclists - Cyclecraft - Effective Cycling
Condor Cycles - quite possibly the best bike shop in London
Don't run red lights, wear a helmet, use hand signals, get some cycle lights(front and rear) and, FFS, don't run red lights!
markhr is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:28 AM.