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    Kona Vs. Specialized Geometry?

    I think I've mentioned this before here, but I have some horrible LBS's in my area... Granted, they do manage to carry lots of different brands of bikes (mostly cruisers and recreational frames though), but if I want to test ride a specific Full Suspension bike I would have to order that bike and then if I didn't like it the store would only give me store credit and not refund my money. My problem is that I am interested in the Kona Coiler and I currently own a Specialized Stumpjumper FSR (which has great geometry for me, but it may not hold up to my constant jumping and hucking). Does anyone have any experience with the two different frame geometries and opinions of each? Thanks!
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    The FSR is more XC oriented where as the Coiler is more of a trail/ light freeride bike.

    The Coiler has a slacker head angle. Because of the head angle the Coiler will be more stable at speeds and descending and easier to huck but not quite as responsive in very tight technical sections. The majority of riders will probably not notice the differance or it will not be so great that they will care. (a lot of this also has to do with the wheel base, etc., etc.)

    If you plan on getting more aggresive in your riding, i.e. jumps drops, descents, then I would say the Kona would definitly be the better of the two.



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    dirtbikedude - thanks for the info.

    I know the FSR is a XC bike... Can it be successfully upgraded to a more Freeride style bike? I just ordered a RaceFace DH Prodigy crankset and Evolve FR bottom bracket for it and I was thinking of ordering a Fox Vanilla Rear shock to replace the Fox Float airshock that comes stock on the bike. If the M4-alloy frame on the FSR will hold up to 5-6' drops to hardpack/concrete then I won't need to upgrade to a different bike. What do you think?

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    Sure, you can do it, but you'd be using that bike outside it's intended purpose. It's designed to be lightweight. The frame is designed to be ridden fast, and can handle small jumps and small drops that are typical on your average trail. If you start hucking that bike or jumping big with it, it's gonna crumple eventually.

    If that's what you intend to do, get the Kona or "A" Kona. One of the "out of bounds" line of bikes. Or, a bike like the BigHit from Specialized.

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    Originally posted by a2psyklnut
    Sure, you can do it, but you'd be using that bike outside it's intended purpose. It's designed to be lightweight. The frame is designed to be ridden fast, and can handle small jumps and small drops that are typical on your average trail. If you start hucking that bike or jumping big with it, it's gonna crumple eventually.

    If that's what you intend to do, get the Kona or "A" Kona. One of the "out of bounds" line of bikes. Or, a bike like the BigHit from Specialized.

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    What size do you mean when you say "...and can handle small jumps and small drops that are typical on your average trail?" We have no average trails here in Charleston, SC so I find whatever I can to jump and drop off of. Max so far is around 3' but I would like to go up to 6' max.
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    For XC courses, I'd say nothing bigger than 2' drops and jumps that are only like 6" high and you land maybe 5 or 6 feet away MAX. More like sections of eroded trail where there is washout and you have to drop down it. Or a little bump in the trail where you get a little air.

    If you're talking 6' drops, you'll destroy your FSR XC. You probably want/need an FSR BIG HIT for that!

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    Will a 26" wheel fit on the rear of the BigHit FSR? I don't know that I'd want to lean back as much as the 24" rear wheel and 26" front seems like it would cause.
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    A 26" wheel wont fit a Bighit. Only Betd.co.uk produces a conversion kit for 300$ or so. If you want a FR dually that resembles your FSR then the best solution is the Specialized SX frame, It is a beefed up enduro with a vanilla coil, it sounds just like the thing you want, the ride of your frame, coil shoch, durable for FR missions, plus its frame only so you can transfer your existing components over it!

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    math2p14,

    Exactly what I've been thinking... I saw the SX (Super Cross?) frame under the Enduro series and that looks perfect. The Geometry almost completely matches my Stumpjumper FSR but the components are all a bit beefier. Now I just have to convince my wife that I need a new frame which will be difficult because I just got this one a couple of weeks ago... hmmm... maybe if my frame cracks she'll see that I need something stronger... haha
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    You dont need to convince anyone. If you have the cash which i assume that you worked for, then you go, you buy , you dont explain. If on the other hand you interfere with a tight family budget then that is indeed a situation that needs discussing. But i repear, if you have the excess cash,,,,just buy it and try to sell the other frame....forget the cracks etc scenario.
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    math2p14,

    Wow... I think I might as well just file for divorce if I were to take that attitude about purchases.... My wife and I have the money available, but we both work for our savings and we discuss any purchase beforehand; to do otherwise would certainly lead to bitterness and some major arguments. I'm considering calling my LBS though and seeing if they would be willing to give me some money for my Stumpjumper FSR frame if I purchase the Enduro SX from them. I bought the FSR frame from them in the first place so maybe they'd be willing to work a deal out.
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    A lot of shops take tradeins...especially if they are the same brand they sell...

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    You're not married are you Math?

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    Originally posted by a2psyklnut
    You're not married are you Math?

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    Haha nope but we got oriental habits Man Master j/k
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    math2p14,

    haha... Asian cultural structure doesn't hold up here in the US though.... my wife is Vietnamese but I still don't rule the household... it's an even split... although sometimes I think my cat is the one that truely rules it all...
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    Ugh... after looking more closely at the Specialized Enduro SX I realized that I would just be forced to waste more money if I were to purchase that frame because I would have to also buy a new rear hub and a disc brake set. That alone could probably add another $300.00 to the purchase and then I'd just be better off saving $300.00 more and buying a full bike... Damn... I guess I'm back where I started; not having a bike that will hold up and not knowing what frame to get....
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    So, assuming you want a new bike, what's your budget?

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    Have you looked at the older Konas ('02, '03)?
    You can get great deals on an older Stinky, which the Coiler is taking the place of. It will save you money, you'll get a bike that can handle the aggresive stuff and work good out on trail.


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    I would definately be interested in an older Kona Stinky but I would have to test ride one beforehand to be sure I like the feel of it. The problem with that is my LBS's don't have any in stock and won't order anything for me unless I'm willing to buy it first. I'll probably just try to save up $1600.00 and when I take my trip out west in October I'll see if I can find a Bike Shop with a Stinky in stock so I can ride it. Then when I get back from the trip I'll know what to order... Too bad about the Enduro SX... I really love the geometry on the specialized FSR bikes...
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    Where out West? If you get to SoCal. let me know. We have a lot of Kona dealers around here.

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    dirtbikedude,

    I'm headed to the Northwest to look for places to relocate. The farthest South I'll go will probably be to Vegas to visit a friend before turning back Northwards to pass through San Francisco on my way up to Seattle. If you know of any good Kona Dealers around San Francisco or farther north please let me know. Thanks!
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    There main office is in Washington if you are going to go that far. If you do get out to Vegas I highly recomend you check out Bootleg Canyon . It is just outside of Vegas and has some of the sweetest trails around. Be sure to wear shin guards though.


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    While I'm in Seattle I think I'll try to stop by Kona's office. I'd like to submit my resume to them. Maybe while I'm at the office they'll let me ride a couple... Thanks for the link Dirtbikedude!! Looks like some really nice trails!
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    Hi there,
    I use my stinky for pretty much what you describe oxygen_77 and find it suitable enough,once you get used to the wieght.50km rides aren't that much of a problem provided there's enough variety to utilise the bikes geometry/specs.These bikes love going d/h so don't expect great climbing ability(passable).
    Maybe a different story once fitted with a 5th element or similar shock though.
    Luckily the wife lets me have two bikes, so I get to jump on my xc bike when the old legs feel a bit knackered.

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