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    Differences in Two Bikes

    Well- The time has come. My last bike at least, for a very, very long time). I've decided to get a middly-high-end end bike this time, in stead of the middle-ish stuff I have. I've decided on a Specialized Epic. I'm just not sure which one....

    I'm trying to decide between the Expert Carbon and Marathon Aluminum. Which one would be the better choice? Both seem to have an XT group, but the Marathon has Magura Brakes. While they look pretty cool, I don't know how they compare to the Juicy Ultimates on the Expert. (At least, I think they're Ultimates. It says Seven Ultimate, which I can only assume since manufacturers call the Carbon Seven Carbon). The Marathon also has Carbon bars/seat-post, and I think better wheels and a lighter saddle. I don't know how the weights compare.

    I like the idea of a carbon bike, since I've never owned anything outside of aluminum, but if the Marathon is lighter and the brakes are better....

    NOTE- Braking power is a big deal to me. If the Maguras are lighter but weaker, well.... That could be a deal breaker.

    Also, the bikes cost the same- $4400.

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    If they both cost the same, the aluminum bike will probably have better components, since most companies are charging more for the same bike with a carbon frame.

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    maguras are generally considered very high end brakes of comparable (if not more so) quality to juicys. If brake quality is a potential deal-breaker, i suggest you try out both bikes/sets of brakes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Funkychicken View Post
    maguras are generally considered very high end brakes of comparable (if not more so) quality to juicys. If brake quality is a potential deal-breaker, i suggest you try out both bikes/sets of brakes
    I have had two pairs of Marta's, one pair of regular, one pair SL. I now have a pair of Juicy 7's. There is no comparison between them, the Martas are better in every way.
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    I ride an aluminum Epic, and a carbon hardtail. The Epic could definately benefit from the ride quality properties of a carbon frame, as it's not one of the plushest riding full sussers. Weather it's worth any difference in components, is up to you.
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    The weight difference between the two is not enough to matter. I ride an Epic Expert and changed components to get it down to just under 24lbs. I think I would go for alum. with better components.

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    Kay.

    Another thing I need to consider is an Orbea Alma. the guy at the Orbea shop said I can get the Alma under 21 (Versus the Marathon's 27) pounds w/o pedals for around $4.5k. Although the thought of a super light carbon bike is appealing, I need to consider the rough, rooty terrain that I ride on. I already have a FS AM bike, but I like all of my bikes to be functional. I don't want a top-end hardtail if it's slower then a mid-end FS.

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    Go carbon. Lighter and both bikes have great components.

    One question: Why not go with something with a little more travel if you are going full suspension?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chopper1 View Post
    Go carbon. Lighter and both bikes have great components.

    One question: Why not go with something with a little more travel if you are going full suspension?
    Aren't the Epics the ones with those intense rear suspension systems? The floating drive train? Great for going fast, apparently - that might be why.

    Since you guys are talking about shaving off tenths of a gram, that might be a serious reason why to get the floating suspension system .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProFail View Post
    I already have a FS AM bike, but I like all of my bikes to be functional. I don't want a top-end hardtail if it's slower then a mid-end FS.
    And that's the rub! 21 lb hardtails are great for smooth singletrack, and showing off your weight weenie side. But I find in rock gardens and really rooty terrain, it takes all my energy to keep the bike underneath me. It's so light that it bounces around, like trying to ride a ping pong ball. I've found that for hardtails, I really like the 24lb area myself. JMO

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    Go for the carbon frame. Everything I have read, and or when talking with folks who own the carbon, they say that frame is substantially better. You can alway upgrade components, very expensive to upgrade frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chopper1 View Post
    One question: Why not go with something with a little more travel if you are going full suspension?
    I already have a 5" travel FS bike. It weighs 30 pounds, soooooo.....

    "And that's the rub! 21 lb hardtails are great for smooth singletrack, and showing off your weight weenie side. But I find in rock gardens and really rooty terrain, it takes all my energy to keep the bike underneath me. It's so light that it bounces around, like trying to ride a ping pong ball. I've found that for hardtails, I really like the 24lb area myself. JMO"

    For 24 pounds, I think I could get the Alma 29'er. I hear a lot of good things about 29'ers, and that they're faster in a lot of ways. Would it be a good way to go for a 24 pound HT?


    G'damn. I'm also a roadie, so I'm trying to decide between a road bike and a MTB*now. The more I think about what bike I want, the harder it is to choose. =(

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    Considering that you want to make it to cat 1 or cat 2 racing road bikes and were planning on dedicating most of your time to that goal it seems like the road bike might be the way to go. That is of course if that is still your goal.
    I may be fat but I'm slow enough to make up for it.

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    Shoot, if you're gonna drop $4500, why not get a 2 grand hardtail and a 2 grand road bike. $2,000 goes a long way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattP. View Post
    Shoot, if you're gonna drop $4500, why not get a 2 grand hardtail and a 2 grand road bike. $2,000 goes a long way...
    Because I already have a $1,400 road bike. =/

    I figure the increase of $600 will be negligible.

    And LowCel, where did I say I want to be a Cat. 1/2 racer? I said I was a roadie, not a road racer, and I rarely race my MTB....

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    Go for a Titus Racer X 29er, its in the 24 lbs class, and has those larger wheels, and its in your price range.

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    Ive always been told stay away from carbon frames.
    if you hit a tree or fall on a rock your frame can get pretty jacked up.
    after all, carbon fiber is an interwoven cloth covered in resin.

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    Those carbon frames are tougher than they look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheeto View Post
    Ive always been told stay away from carbon frames.
    if you hit a tree or fall on a rock your frame can get pretty jacked up.
    after all, carbon fiber is an interwoven cloth covered in resin.
    You know, mods, we need to make a sticky dedicated to issues that have been beaten to death. Like this one.

    Also covered:

    - "Hardtails help you pick better lines"

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    Was only saying what ive heard from people around here.

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    Does that go for the sig too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenLi View Post
    - "Hardtails help you pick better lines"
    That's been debated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProFail View Post
    And LowCel, where did I say I want to be a Cat. 1/2 racer? I said I was a roadie, not a road racer, and I rarely race my MTB....
    I apologize, had you confused with another member.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LowCel View Post
    I apologize, had you confused with another member.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DickyJ View Post
    Does that go for the sig too?
    The signature is me.
    I proudly support the troops when ever i can.
    they gave me my freedom, and They will continue to do so.
    Both my granddads served in ww2, my dads currently serving, he has 8 days untill he leaves for a 1 year tour in the middle east.
    And in a few years i have plans to join as an officer.

    SO Kindly, dont dog on my signature.
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