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    Dream Spec on a highend all-mountain hardtail?

    What specs do you feel are best for a really top end AM hardtail?

    Especially frame material? Aluminum, CF, or Ti [or even highend steel?]

    Which Fork?

    Brakes?

    Der/Shifters?

    Crank?

    Wheelset?

    and what is your favorite tire?

    [also - 26 vs 29]

    I would love to see informed opinions
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
    What specs do you feel are best for a really top end AM hardtail?

    Especially frame material? Aluminum, CF, or Ti [or even highend steel?] Ti

    Which Fork? Fox Talas RLC

    Brakes? Magura Marta SL 180mm

    Der/Shifters? SRAM X.0 grip shifts (or triggers), X.0 rear derailleur, XTR front derailleur

    Crank? FSA Team Issue

    Wheelset? Mavic Crossmax SLR

    and what is your favorite tire? I'm a Schwalbe fan.

    [also - 26 vs 29] I'm still a fan of 26'ers.

    I would love to see informed opinions
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
    What specs do you feel are best for a really top end AM hardtail?
    That's a tough one; for me "top-end all-mountain" and "hardtail" do not belong in the same sentence.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
    I would love to see informed opinions
    I would too...but you're on the wrong forum.

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    The Ti Fly that's coming is pretty much everything I'm looking for. OK, maybe the SID has it's problems, but the new one is meant to be better (although I'm assuming we're getting last year's model?).

    There are a couple things I'm going to change. As Low Cel suggested, X.0 shifter (twist for me) and derailleurs. I like the shifters better than the Shimano Triggers and if you get those shifters, then you have to get the rear derailleur. I might leave the XTR front intially. The second is that I'm going to stick a little more tire under it. I appreciate that you chose a very light tire (385g!) that helps make the bike super light. But that's worth more in marketing that it is on the trail. If I ride on super skinny tires where I am, then it's 'hello ground' way more often that I'm prepared for. So I'll end up sticking different tires on the bike as well.

    That's really about it.
    Incidently, I don't know where the links to the Ti Fly are anymore (they seem to have vanished). How big of a tire can I stick in that fork/frame?


    As far as the 26/29 thing goes, I'm fine with 26. How many people actually race 29's? I don't think it is very many if any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
    What specs do you feel are best for a really top end AM hardtail?

    Especially frame material? Aluminum, CF, or Ti [or even highend steel?] Aluminum or Titanium

    Which Fork? TALAS RLC

    Brakes? Hope Mini Pro

    Der/Shifters? XTR all around

    Crank? XT

    Wheelset? I9

    and what is your favorite tire? Continental or WTB

    [also - 26 vs 29] 26"

    I would love to see informed opinions
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    If it was a XC hardtail I would say ti or steel, but since its AM Id say aluminum, semi-slacker geometry, a nice Fox Talas RLC, SRAM X-0 group, 26".

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    I'm with Doug, "all mountain" and "hard tail" seem like an oxymoron!
    Us older members like more comfort.
    Titanium frame and 150 mm SID fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
    What specs do you feel are best for a really top end AM hardtail?

    Especially frame material? Aluminum, CF, or Ti [or even highend steel?] Steel (True Temper XO Platinum or Reynolds 853)

    Which Fork? Fox TALAS RLC

    Brakes? Hope Mono Mini or Mini Pro

    Der/Shifters? XTR

    Crank? Profile

    Wheelset? I9 Enduro

    and what is your favorite tire? WTB or Kenda

    [also - 26 vs 29] 26"

    I would love to see informed opinions

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
    What specs do you feel are best for a really top end AM hardtail?

    Especially frame material? Aluminum, CF, or Ti [or even highend steel?] Steel (OX or 853) or Ti with room for at least 2.35" (2.5" preferred) tires

    Which Fork? Fox F29

    Brakes? Hope Mini, Avid Juicy Ultimates, or XTR

    Der/Shifters? Sram XO triggers, rear D, XTR front

    Crank? XT or XTR

    Wheelset? 32 hole DT Swiss 240s hubs, Mavic XM 719 rims, DT comp spokes 3X, or Bonti Race X Lite, or CrossMAx29

    and what is your favorite tire? I really like any Continental I've tried, but I have yet to try a Conti 29er

    [also - 26 vs 29] 29", I made the leap and I'm not looking back

    I would love to see informed opinions
    I realize some of these choices seem to be very xc and not so all mtn. I should mention I weigh 140 and even the lightweight parts can hold up thru some pretty aggressive riding at my size.

    On the 29ers and racing them... I think a lot of it depends on your region. I spend a lot of time in both Arizona and Oregon. In AZ with lots of rocks and rolling terrain, there are 29ers everywhere and tons of people race them. Here in Oregon, with bigger climbs and tighter trails, they're around, but not nearly as popular.

    It took me a while to get used to how a 29er handled. I probably spent 10 hours riding it before it stopped feeling a little weird. After 15 hours I was cornering harder faster and keeping more speed all around. On a 26" I ran a 2.5 Conti Diesel in the front, and then a 2.1 Bontrager on the 29". They felt similar in the turns, but the 29 still felt bigger thru the bumps.

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    Low, slack, with lotsa' standover. 67* head angle with a Pike at 140mm. 16.5" seatstays. Keep the wheelbase short-ish. Spec with a 20mm axle fork - don't screw around with QR on a bike meant to do it all. Big tire room - that is one a lot of companies really screw up on. They make a bike with great geometry and sizing, then give you crap all for fat tire room in back.

    Material? That depends on what sort of price point you're looking to hit.
    Cheaper alu frame with nicer spec? Ti frame with lesser parts, or the same parts but more money? Steel - light or heavy tubeset? Give you the same issue as with alu or ti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
    What specs do you feel are best for a really top end AM hardtail?

    Especially frame material? Aluminum, CF, or Ti [or even highend steel?]

    Which Fork? Fox Talas, although the Manitou Minute MRD looks really nice.

    Brakes? Hayes Strokers have been catching my eye.

    Der/Shifters? XT

    Crank? XT

    Wheelset? I like the Mavic Crossmax ST's right now.

    and what is your favorite tire? I'll get back to you.

    [also - 26 vs 29] 26 for me. 29ers are cool, but not for everyone.

    I would love to see informed opinions
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
    What specs do you feel are best for a really top end AM hardtail?

    Especially frame material? Aluminum, CF, or Ti [or even highend steel?]Steel

    Which Fork? RS Lyric

    Brakes?Carbon Juicy

    Der/Shifters? Sram XO Blackbox

    Crank? XTR w/Gamut bashguard

    Wheelset?I9 Enduro Copper

    and what is your favorite tire?Maxxis Minion rear/Highroller front

    [also - 26 vs 29] 26

    I would love to see informed opinions
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
    What specs do you feel are best for a really top end AM hardtail?

    Especially frame material? Aluminum, CF, or Ti [or even highend steel?]

    Which Fork?

    Brakes?

    Der/Shifters?

    Crank?

    Wheelset?

    and what is your favorite tire?

    [also - 26 vs 29]

    I would love to see informed opinions
    Well, isn't this a little pointless? Since for forks you only use Rockshox, for the drivetrain you only use Shimano, and for the Brakes you only use Avid?

    Why is it not possible to see Hope, Magura, and Fox components on a Motobecane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dminor View Post
    That's a tough one; for me "top-end all-mountain" and "hardtail" do not belong in the same sentence.


    Enter Santa Cruz Chameleon.

    Especially frame material? Aluminum, CF, or Ti [or even highend steel?] Aluminum

    Which Fork? Talas/Lyrik

    Brakes? Old school XT, which obviously could not be done on an o the shelf bike. So XTR 8 Inch front and 6 inch back Alligator rotors.

    Der/Shifters? XT rear, XTR front. XTR shifters.

    Crank? Shimano hone, or XTR. Single ring with bashy and guide.

    Wheelset? I9 Enduro of course, or a wheelcraft of some description.

    and what is your favorite tire? Maxxis

    [also - 26 vs 29] 26
    That would kill it over here in WA for truly being an All Mountain hardtail to a T. A bike with semi-slack geo, not too tight, not too slack, would be able to ride pretty much everything we have here pretty amn well.

    Looking forward to harov3's reaction to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenLi View Post
    Well, isn't this a little pointless? Since for forks you only use Rockshox, for the drivetrain you only use Shimano, and for the Brakes you only use Avid?

    Why is it not possible to see Hope, Magura, and Fox components on a Motobecane?
    We are very focused on after the sale backup by component suppliers. Shimano, Sram, Ritchey, Vuelta, and FSA are all great in this department.

    We can use other brands easily; and we have quote for these and other makers. Fox we are looking at real close. Whenever we see an advantage on a given part for the consumer; we will use it. This is why I ask.

    Of course, the input on frame material is very important too.

    BTW the new Windsor Cliff 29er line is all Sram drivetrain. We will see how that sells; we tried sram spec 4 years ago and the turn rate was poor. However, today sram is really moving up in MTB spec.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Boy View Post
    The Ti Fly that's coming is pretty much everything I'm looking for. OK, maybe the SID has it's problems, but the new one is meant to be better (although I'm assuming we're getting last year's model?).

    There are a couple things I'm going to change. As Low Cel suggested, X.0 shifter (twist for me) and derailleurs. I like the shifters better than the Shimano Triggers and if you get those shifters, then you have to get the rear derailleur. I might leave the XTR front intially. The second is that I'm going to stick a little more tire under it. I appreciate that you chose a very light tire (385g!) that helps make the bike super light. But that's worth more in marketing that it is on the trail. If I ride on super skinny tires where I am, then it's 'hello ground' way more often that I'm prepared for. So I'll end up sticking different tires on the bike as well.

    That's really about it.
    Incidently, I don't know where the links to the Ti Fly are anymore (they seem to have vanished). How big of a tire can I stick in that fork/frame?


    As far as the 26/29 thing goes, I'm fine with 26. How many people actually race 29's? I don't think it is very many if any.

    I am still unsure which version of SID [2008 v 2009] are on the first run. It is almost insane how hard it is to find these things out from OEM producers

    My wife raced the Fly Team Ti sample with 2.125 tires and there was pleanty of room. I would think 2.3 would fit.

    Part of the reason few race 29ers is weight; I feel
    that is way I am working on a 22 or 23 lb 29er Ti XC bike - but that will take a lot of time.

    as far the AM hardtail area - we get questions about that
    and many people want a lighter and still more durable bike
    hard to do - so very hard to find
    So I would like to build a 25lb AM bike that will take a beating - but that is hard with a 4.5 lb fork
    however, I am going to try and see what turns up

    some far - I would like to use Ti as I have seen no reason for anyone to prefer AL or steel except price. Although some like the look of big tubes on AL frames
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    What specs do you feel are best for a really top end AM hardtail?

    Especially frame material? Aluminum, CF, or Ti [or even highend steel?]
    unpainted ti

    Which Fork?
    i like my bombers, thankyou

    Brakes?
    i'll say XT (separate levers), too many brands to choose

    Der/Shifters?
    ALL XT drivetrain, i don't want 'prototype' XTR or heavier parts, & i want some XT 9speed compatible twist or gripshift, or better choice in shifters

    Crank?
    as drivetrain, XT

    Wheelset?
    i like mavics, though too many to choose

    and what is your favorite tire?
    ritchey zmax evolution wcs

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    No matter the spec, I would want to go to a local bike shop and test ride it first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
    We are very focused on after the sale backup by component suppliers. Shimano, Sram, Ritchey, Vuelta, and FSA are all great in this department.

    We can use other brands easily; and we have quote for these and other makers. Fox we are looking at real close. Whenever we see an advantage on a given part for the consumer; we will use it. This is why I ask.

    Of course, the input on frame material is very important too.

    BTW the new Windsor Cliff 29er line is all Sram drivetrain. We will see how that sells; we tried sram spec 4 years ago and the turn rate was poor. However, today sram is really moving up in MTB spec.
    Good to hear. I think putting Fox forks would help your business. Regardless of how much better Fox forks are.... people will look and say "hey look! Shiny!" and buy your products. Anyhow, I rode a Fox F100 on a friends bike and thought it was really, really nice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by !on View Post

    and what is your favorite tire?
    ritchey zmax evolution wcs
    Is this your tire for the all mountain hardtail or just your favorite tire?? I find these narrow and fragile.
    I only pedal uphill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post

    Especially frame material? Aluminum, CF, or Ti [or even highend steel?]Aluminum, 26x2.7 clearance.

    Which Fork?Fox 36 Vanilla RC2


    Brakes?Avid Juicy Carbons


    Der/Shifters?XTR


    Crank?FSA Gravity Light


    Wheelset?Sun Ringle A.D.D Lights


    and what is your favorite tire?Kenda Nevegal/Excavator


    [also - 26 vs 29]26"
    For rear shock: Fox DHX 5.0 air or coil.

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    Stem: FSA Gravity Light OS

    Geometry wise, I'd like to see very aggressive angles and two travel settings for the rear suspension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Smashy View Post
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    For rear shock: Fox DHX 5.0 air or coil.

    Handlebar: FSA Gravity Carbon OS in the wide size.

    Stem: FSA Gravity Light OS

    Geometry wise, I'd like to see very aggressive angles and two travel settings for the rear suspension.

    Excellent. I've got a DHX 5.0 Air coming for my new all mountain hardtail, too. Well see how it compares to the Swinger 4-Way Air and RS Pearl I've been running.
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    I misread the title, but even if I didn't for me, I wouldn't want an all mountain hardtail. If I did, I'd just get the same setup without the dhx.
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