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Old 03-12-08, 03:13 PM   #1
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Can't Get It Up (not that)

I would really like to be able to get the front end of my bike off the ground more easily. Weight distribution is towards the back already, with having and older heavier FS and put a pretty light (2.8lb) fork on; old fork was WAY heavier. I was thinking a short stem, and maybe some new bars that have some elevation? Good idea or bad idea? Any product recommendations?
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For any serious rider I think you'd be wheeling all over.

But the easiest way to get it up is to just get a positive angled stem.

What is ur reasoning for it? Are you trying to get over logs and such and having trouble?
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Practice would be the cheapest route.
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Your fork may have its rebound adjustment or pressure too low (particularly the first), make sure you get a good compression b4 pulling up.
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Fork compression shouldn't stop him from lifitng his front wheel.

He leads to lean foward and then pull back and up while shifting his weight over his rear wheel.

At least, that's how I learned it for trials. A crude explanation, but that's basically it.
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Its not hard... I mean, I learned to pop wheelies when I was like 10 on my bike. You just gotta believe.
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Your fork may have its rebound adjustment or pressure too low (particularly the first), make sure you get a good compression b4 pulling up.
How would fork settings have anything to do with getting the front end in the air? If all the air was out of an air fork I could still flip the bike over.
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How would fork settings have anything to do with getting the front end in the air? If all the air was out of an air fork I could still flip the bike over.
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Can't get it up?First I would put that idea out of your head.You can do it,your just not sure how.A good video on how to helps.I've seen them but can't remember where.Maybe TotalVid.com.Here's a link on tips.
http://www.ehow.com/how_14108_wheeli...tain-bike.html.
Wear your helmet.Arm amour also helps.I finally managed to go all the way over and landed on my back/head/elbows.Hard to remember to keep a finger on back brake.If it wasn't for my Camel Back and helmet(fiberglass full face) I might not have been laughing so hard.
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"Kick" your pedals a little as you're pulling up on the bars. And the thing that seems to hinder most people the most: Do not be afraid to jump off the back of the bike! It may help you to use platform pedals if you don't already. Once you can jump off the back with confidence, no wheelie is too high.
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How can you be crushing peoples heads but not be able to lift your front wheel off the ground? Just doesn't make sense to me.
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How would fork settings have anything to do with getting the front end in the air? If all the air was out of an air fork I could still flip the bike over.
Thats pretty obvious, when the fork is dead out of air and rigid it wouldnt be that bad, but it would be harder with only say 80 psi, and even worse if his rebound was too tight since all the compression you put into the fork would send you no where. Dont try to dispute me on this, im not saying this is the reason he cant get his front end up in the air but its definetly a factor which could help.
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Thats pretty obvious, when the fork is dead out of air and rigid it wouldnt be that bad, but it would be harder with only say 80 psi, and even worse if his rebound was too tight since all the compression you put into the fork would send you no where. Dont try to dispute me on this, im not saying this is the reason he cant get his front end up in the air but its definetly a factor which could help.
I can honestly say that I have never heard someone suggesting that you look at the setup on your fork to better your wheelie. And, I've received plenty of suggestions seeing as I can't wheelie for sh*t.
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I can honestly say that I have never heard someone suggesting that you look at the setup on your fork to better your wheelie. And, I've received plenty of suggestions seeing as I can't wheelie for sh*t.
Must be the frappuccinos as I can't wheelie nor bunny-hop either. This past summer I was finally able to bunny hop about 3" just from practicing. I think I started practicing late in the summer and figure with more practice this year I should be able to get up there.
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Must be the frappuccinos as I can't wheelie nor bunny-hop either. This past summer I was finally able to bunny hop about 3" just from practicing. I think I started practicing late in the summer and figure with more practice this year I should be able to get up there.
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Thats pretty obvious, when the fork is dead out of air and rigid it wouldnt be that bad, but it would be harder with only say 80 psi, and even worse if his rebound was too tight since all the compression you put into the fork would send you no where. Dont try to dispute me on this, im not saying this is the reason he cant get his front end up in the air but its definetly a factor which could help.
You don't need to compress the fork to wheelie.. in fact I find it makes it more difficult because you have to shift your weight forward to compress it.
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If pulling the front end up has to do with fork settings, what do folks on rigid frames do?
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And, I've received plenty of suggestions seeing as I can't wheelie for sh*t.
You would have to disconnect your bike from the simulator to actually do a wheelie.. this I know.
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Maybe some more input would be helpful at this point:

I CAN in fact pull my front end up and manual for all of about 2-4 feet, in other words enough to get over what I need to get over in the trail, with the exception of drop-offs, where I am not yet confident in manualing off anything too high up at slow speed. I CAN ride a wheelie, maybe 20 feet or so, again enough to get my front wheel where I need to. The problem is HOW DIFFICULT it is, or rather, how much effort it takes to pull the front wheel up. I feel like I'm yanking so hard that if I hit that sweet spot I'm gonna fly right past it and land on my arse. Not a big deal in the driveway, BIG deal if I do this in the woods on a high drop.

For the record, it does make some difference how the fork is set up. If you got a lotta sag, you have another inch or so to yank up from. I know this through experiment. As far as messing with damping, I don't want to make that sacrifice. I have my shock dialed in well for what I want it to do, especially the damping.

This whole problem stems from my BMX background I think. I rode BMX for 15 years before switching mostly over to mtn bikes 5 years ago. In BMX you have so much more control over the bike because of it's size. You can put the bike where it needs to go, as opposed to mtn bikes more or less take you along. I just don't feel like I can control the bike as well as I want to, especially when flight is involved.
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