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    Fly Ti MTB is in the Pcad Garage my little MTB Weenies

    Indeed it is. And after a couple of hours in the Pcad bike bunker to dedorkify the rig (reflectors, spoke protectors, etc.), change out the silly tires for real MTB tires (what do you expect from a bike weenie from FL like Mikey?), swap out the stem for a longer one, add my seat (although the seat the Fly came with is actually light and seems comfy), throw the bottle cages on, add the bar ends for Pcad comfort and hammerability, and voila:





    The bike barely fits me with the longer stem and the seat 1" past the min insertion mark; Pcad lives dangerously. But it does indeed fit. I thought it would be tight, similar to my old MTB geometry, just shorter seat tube. Initial ride impressions up and down the upper slopes of Mt. Doom here in the rain: just what I had hoped for. 3 lbs. lighter than my Jamis 853 steel hard tail, but more importantly, NOTHING feels like Ti. I bombed around a bit, the bike tracks like a laser beam, climbs like a rocket, rides super smooth. It's hard to F up Titanium, and this frame is VERY impressive indeed. This bike was a friggin steal @ $1900, and @ $2500 it would still be a steal weenies.

    I'll have to get it into the woods. If I don't kill myself, I will post further impressions here. But so far the bike does appear to be all that. Thanks Mikey.

    P.S. Shifts fine, all parts seem properly installed by BD, I need to get it to my LBS to adjust the disc brakes, set up the Rock Shox fork and get those stem spacers right, I screwed that up. I may be less ******** than the typical BD customer, but not by much. Doing the minimal assembly and parts swapping this bike required pushed the pathetic Pcad Mechanic Envelope.
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    Longer seatpost FTW.
    It looks like you got an older SID/noodle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frunkin View Post
    Longer seatpost FTW.
    It looks like you got an older SID/noodle.
    Yeah, the fork feels noodley, but I'm sure my LBS (they are the MTB wizards) can get it stiffer. The seat post is close enough for rock n' roll. They make longer posts??

    If all I gotta do is get a stouter fork up the road at some point, the bike is still a steal.

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    so you bought a $1900 bike that's too small .. way to go man!
    I only pedal uphill.

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    that bike deserves some carbon barends.
    Every time that wheel turn round,
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtPedalerB View Post
    so you bought a $1900 bike that's too small .. way to go man!
    Nope, it fits. Insertion marks on seat post are for Wussy. Friggin MTB WEENIES. HTFU already.

    Actually the bike feels just like my old hard tail the way it's set up. Similar geometry and top tube length, just a shorter seat tube, hence the seat post issue. But otherwise identical. Felt fine riding it tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Yeah, the fork feels noodley, but I'm sure my LBS (they are the MTB wizards) can get it stiffer. The seat post is close enough for rock n' roll. They make longer posts??

    If all I gotta do is get a stouter fork up the road at some point, the bike is still a steal.
    Quote Originally Posted by PCad
    Mike from BD says the MTB Action article is inaccurate, the SID Fork on the Fly Ti is the 2008 model after all, so that should be pretty good from what everyone is saying here.
    Nice to know there's still honesty in the business.

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    I couldn't tell you if that fork is from 2008 or 2006. The fact that it came with any brand new functional suspension fork at that ridiculous price can only be considered a Miracle of Modern Retail. And my LBS told me that if it's the crappiest Rock Shox of the last few years, it's still a big advance over my 10 year old Manitou Carbon on my old bicycle. I'm a Road Nazi moron. I know nothing about this crap.

    But I will be heading to a mellow XC race course and actually competing in an MTB race near me later this year in my ongoing efforts to get myself killed.

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    So now I own a BD Ti Fly and a Six13. What am I evolving into?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Boy View Post
    So now I own a BD Ti Fly and a Six13. What am I evolving into?
    Now you're stalking me.

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    Is that white oak?
    Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......

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    I feel sorry for the person that has to use those brake levers in the position they are in. Your looking at a possible fracture trying to use them..
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    Yes, you really do need a longer post. That is a cracked seat tube waiting to happen. Long post + minimal insertion + light frame = putting much leverage on seattubes can tend to do that.

    Yes, your bars and levers need to be rotated forward. The ergonomics of that setup make me cringe.

    Yes, that is not an 08 SID (which sounds to be vastly superior to prior models) but is in fact an older noodly model. No, your shop isn't going to be able to make the fork un-noodly. Stiffer suspension action yes, un-noodly no. Maybe something you won't miss if you haven't ridden stiffer forks. The difference is quite noticeable. Nice that their ad copy doesn't mention which year SID that is. Pure Delight damper is I think pre-07 though.

    So. $1900. Without the supposed 08 much improved fork it was supposed to have. And you'll eventually have to shell out for a new seatpost, or eventually maybe have a cracked frame. And you're going to pay your shop some dough to get it right for you. What a bargain!

    Otherwise, it looks like a fine ride, but for all that - it's not the bargain that BD might have us believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker66 View Post
    Is that white oak?

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    What scrub said.. plus thats like a $100 wheelset on that bike.. not a real bargain imo.

    Nice rug though.

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    19 miles this AM, about 9 of them in the slippery woods (it's been raining). The bike is OUTSTANDING. Light, mushy where you want it (the rear end, SUPER comfy) rigid where it's key (BB, front end steering). Singletracks like a laser, handles GREAT, climbs like a rocket, just so much better than my old MTB, forget about it. The ride is tight enough for handling/climbing but very forgiving compared to my old steel MTB, just what I had hoped for from Ti. With all my stuff (cages, heavier tires pedals, computer etc) the bike is about 21 lbs, but my old bike was about 24lbs. THREE POUNDS lighter, with disc brakes (which are awesome), much better ride and feel.

    MTB Action review was correct about a couple of things: the stock tires are stupid for most MTBers, and the stock cluster (12-27 road cluster) has to go, I need a 12-32 or something for several reasons, mainly so I can stay in the middle ring most of the time, but also to get up the 10-15%+ inclines that are common in the woods here. Tires are already changed to Conti Explorer 2.1's (550 grams, great tires) and cluster will be next. I have to get the shock set up to be a little less mushy too, but for my needs it's OK.

    These are my impressions after 1+ hour in the woods on everything from fast fire road to fairly technical single track in wet conditions. Man that Goosepond Park here is like the Pcad MTB Experience Theme Park. Endless, varied, empty. I should sell tickets, but jeez, the place is FREE and nobody goes there. You gotta love that it's 5 miles from my house. So overall the bike was just wonderful, fits me perfectly, on the road the thing floats like a friggin cloud. Perfect MTB for my needs. Very satisfied.

    You MTB guys may indeed be correct but you still just don't get it. I'm not a hard core MTB dude. I mainly use my MTB as a road bike with snow tires. If this bike gets into the woods 30x annually it will be a lot. New fork, a new post, a new cluster? I'll eBay the old stuff to offset those expenditures, lay out $600 out of pocket (if that) and still be @<$2500. The closest thing I could find out there to this bike was $4500++. The wheels may be cheesy in some respects but they are light, they roll, and they're for a stupid MOUNTAIN BIKE (you know, one you ride down friggin fire roads and through streams so you can destroy it). New wheels to replace them will be $400. A couple of years up the road.

    I save my big budget blowouts for new road bikes. You know, something I actually give a **** about. So for me, this was just the ticket. Really enjoyed it this AM. This is replacing a 10 year old MTB. And if I had needed to spend $4500 for a new Ti hard tail, I'd still have the old bike. So this does work for me. You insufferable friggin tree hugging suicidal fire road bombing life risking hairy legged MTB WEENIES.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Now you're stalking me.
    Maybe, but I've got 2 sweet bikes out of it, so.....

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    I'm shorter than PCad. My seatpost is just fine. I'm leaving the seat. The fork might be noodley, but I'm going to have a hard time feeling is since I'm coming from a 10 year old Schwinn S-20. I talked to a good mountain bike XC racer who runs a SID on his bike. He agreed with the noodley feeling that people talk about, but said, "Deal with it and you'll be faster". Slowing down 2mph over a couple particularly gnarly sections isn't much of a sacrifice. I don't do massive drops or jumps. I'm impressed as hell at the people who do, but have no need/want to be one of them. I crash often enough as it is.

    I do my own mechanical work on everything, except if a wheel is _really_ tweaked. My plans for the bike is a new pair of tires and a cassette which I already own. I'll probably throw some grips on it as well. I think there's enough room for a pair of 2.3" tires which makes a hardtail pretty cushy and is good for hooking up in the sandy stuff I ride in. I'll give you a report back after the first ride, but I'm having a hard time not seeing the deal in this bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker66 View Post
    Is that white oak?
    Yes, let's hear it. Red or white, we at least know it's quarter-sawn. But I'm guessing that's veneer anyway.

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    My LBS is ordering me a 50mm longer post. Same post Ritchey. It will cost like $80, they'll eBay the old one for about $40. We'll do a similar deal with the cluster. I may have add a chain, So this may add $200 to the cost of the bike with the tire swap (I'll ebay the Kendas too, used my old Contis that have plenty of wear left in them).

    Still very happy with the bike. And my LBS (the MTB Masters of the Universe) assure me that with the right length seat post there IS no further hand wringing here. I'm only 1" above the min insertion, it's a 350mm seat post, I'm getting a 400mm version which will more than compensate.

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    I have the fly 9357 and love it (and it is my second Bikesdirect bike, I am a roadie by nature). I have the same fork as you and I noticed it was noodly at first . . . but now it just feels normal. It is plenty good enough a fork for a) as much as I ride MTB B) the terrain here in Indiana and c) my courage level (not high)

    I love my bike and I think it was a smoking deal. I do not need to change anything out for fit. the only thing I am going to change are the tires. Mine came with Kenda Climax lites or something - very light but thin and not so great as far as traction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover View Post
    Otherwise, it looks like a fine ride, but for all that - it's not the bargain that BD might have us believe.
    For all that I still think it is- Scrub, just price Ti MTB hard tails out there, compare the component mix and you'll see what I'm talking about. My price on this rig was $1900 including shipping. You gotta spend like $4-5K to find a similar bike from anybody else.

    When you say 'rotate forward' I presume you mean the brake levers should be more vertical (further under the bars) instead of in front of them? I installed those handlebars, I know NOTHING about MTB ergonomics. Thanks for your input. Bear in mind that if I piss you off, it's all in BF Ball Busting Fun.

    Most importantly I really rode the bike in the woods and on the road today and just LOVED it.

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    It's a sweet ride, I think your going the right direction with the more capable tires and 12-34 cluster.
    You should be verry happy with it.
    PS. If you call me "weenie" one more time I'll crush you with my manly E-arms!

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    [QUOTE=patentcad;6624944]Thanks for your input. Bear in mind that if I piss you off, it's all in BF Ball Busting Fun.[QUOTE]

    Good ol' BFBBF. I really wish i had a Ti Bike. Looks like a sweet ride. But I'd still put some carbon barends on it. After all, it is a titanium bike. Alloy barends on that bike are like hubcaps on a wrx. Glad you like it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dminor View Post
    Yes, let's hear it. Red or white, we at least know it's quarter-sawn. But I'm guessing that's veneer anyway.
    Clearly veneer. You can see it delaminating. Not quarter sawn. Those ripples are not the kind of fleck or rays made from quarter sawing.

    PCad, about the seat post: How tall are you and what is the frame size?

    I'm 6 foot plus a fraction and got a 20" frame and at 200 lbs. expect to jetison carbon post but don't want to jack it up like that!

    Thanks very much for the ride and bike description. Interesting about the fork, but since I have never ridden a mountain bike, there will be no difference for me. Ignorance and inexperience are innocent bliss.

    Oh, got another angle on the wood: might be quartersawn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terrapin Ben View Post
    Good ol' BFBBF. I really wish i had a Ti Bike. Looks like a sweet ride. But I'd still put some carbon barends on it. After all, it is a titanium bike. Alloy barends on that bike are like hubcaps on a wrx. Glad you like it!
    I wouldn't be caught dead in a Ti

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