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Old 05-13-08, 07:24 PM   #1
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Here's why roadies should stay out of the woods

So we go for a more extended MTB ride today, to the top of Goosepond Mtn, a 1200' ridge here in Chester, NY. It gets technical climbing and descending, etc., lovely views, the works. You know, way over my pathetic roadie head, and my pal (one of my employees) is consistently waiting for me (he's been a hard core MTBer for 15+ years, I'm a roadie who rides an MTB occasionally). I'm standing off the bike as we take a break on the rather technical and dicey single track descent. I'm on relatively flat ground, and lose my footing, keel over and NAIL my right thigh on a root or rock (still don't know which).

Now I have a friggin massive contusion in my quad. I don't know if I can ride my friggin road bike it's so sore. We'll see.

This MTB **** is dangerous. More like I'm a menace to myself and all around me when I step within 3 feet of my MTB. Fortunately nobody was hurt by me. Tonight I needed a hit off an MTB Doobie, but we didn't have any. Oh well. I'm tripping on Advil and chocolate tonight.
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So we go for a more extended MTB ride today, to the top of Goosepond Mtn, a 1200' ridge here in Chester, NY. It gets technical climbing and descending, etc., lovely views, the works. You know, way over my pathetic roadie head, and my pal (one of my employees) is consistently waiting for me (he's been a hard core MTBer for 15+ years, I'm a roadie who rides an MTB occasionally). I'm standing off the bike as we take a break on the rather technical and dicey single track descent. I'm on relatively flat ground, and lose my footing, keel over and NAIL my right thigh on a root or rock (still don't know which).

Now I have a friggin massive contusion in my quad. I don't know if I can ride my friggin road bike it's so sore. We'll see.

This MTB **** is dangerous. More like I'm a menace to myself and all around me when I step within 3 feet of my MTB. Fortunately nobody was hurt by me. Tonight I needed a hit off an MTB Doobie, but we didn't have any. Oh well. I'm tripping on Advil and chocolate tonight.

I'm loving this story.

Sorry to hear about your run of bad luck, it always sux to be off the bike, sorry dude.
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I'll let you know if I can. Now I may have a big con-tuuuuu-sion in the wrong place.
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I'll let you know if I can. Now I may have a big con-tuuuuu-sion in the wrong place.
Where would you say the right place for a contusion is? Just in case I ever have to get one real quick like.
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Where would you say the right place for a contusion is? Just in case I ever have to get one real quick like.
I got one on my right hip two years ago. The size of a softball after a winter black ice road crash. That was the right place. It sloshed a round a bit, but never stopped me from walking or riding. I couldn't lie on my right side for a couple of months however.
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So we go for a more extended MTB ride today, to the top of Goosepond Mtn, a 1200' ridge here in Chester, NY. It gets technical climbing and descending, etc., lovely views, the works. You know, way over my pathetic roadie head, and my pal (one of my employees) is consistently waiting for me (he's been a hard core MTBer for 15+ years, I'm a roadie who rides an MTB occasionally). I'm standing off the bike as we take a break on the rather technical and dicey single track descent. I'm on relatively flat ground, and lose my footing, keel over and NAIL my right thigh on a root or rock (still don't know which).

Now I have a friggin massive contusion in my quad. I don't know if I can ride my friggin road bike it's so sore. We'll see.

This MTB **** is dangerous. More like I'm a menace to myself and all around me when I step within 3 feet of my MTB. Fortunately nobody was hurt by me. Tonight I needed a hit off an MTB Doobie, but we didn't have any. Oh well. I'm tripping on Advil and chocolate tonight.
I like riding fast everywhere, (I dont think i am capable of pacing myself) but im young and recover quickly after a climb and like to get speed on uphills, unfortunately none of the other riders share my riding style and while on a singletrack uphill, i ground my tire with my buddies and sent him sprawling off the trail. I felt sooooo bad. I had just recovered after spinning over some roots while pedaling uphill which is mainly why i wasnt able to stop b4 bumping tires
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I like riding fast everywhere, (I dont think i am capable of pacing myself) but im young and recover quickly after a climb and like to get speed on uphills, unfortunately none of the other riders share my riding style and while on a singletrack uphill, i ground my tire with my buddies and sent him sprawling off the trail. I felt sooooo bad. I had just recovered after spinning over some roots while pedaling uphill which is mainly why i wasnt able to stop b4 bumping tires
You'd be fun in a paceline .
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You'd be fun in a paceline .
Over 200 road races in my career, including 9 mass start races this year. Zero point zero crashes. But I don't need other riders to crash on my MTB. I don't even have to be riding my bike, just standing with it.
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You'd be fun in a paceline .
Oh, trust me i have considered that, that scares the heck outa me.
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Descending a hill in the rain in a RR @ 40 mph with a pack of 60+ guys is 1/100th as scary as the steep technical single track descent we were coming down today. Trust me.
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Descending a hill in the rain in a RR @ 40 mph with a pack of 60+ guys is 1/100th as scary as the steep technical single track descent we were coming down today. Trust me.
Funny, I feel the opposite. When I'm riding a MTB, then it's a question of whether I'm going to make a mistake or not. Mentally, I'm OK if I can I "I F'd up and now I'm banged up." In a roadie pack, it's whether one of _them_ will make a mistake.

I've made 8 starts this year, riding Cat5. I've been down once when one of my teammates had a stupid attack in front of me on the final sprint, but didn't get hurt. I've had all sorts of stupid stuff happen that I could avoid or was off to one side or the other. I seems like there's _way_ more squid behavior on road bikes.

Now I don't do big crazy stuff on MTB bikes like you find in the Pacific NW, but SoCal has pretty reasonable trails and I've been on a lot of them at one time or the other. Some stuff is just beyond me and I find a different way down, but that's not common. Generally speaking, MTB riding is as crazy as you want to make it, which at least gives you some sort of choice.
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It's all what you're used to. I race with the Master's 35+ fields, very safe, very smooth 99% of the time. **** happens in bike racing of course, but when two guys bump elbows in my race they apologize to each other, nobody over-reacts and their generally is no crash. In a 4/5 field their is often yelling, sudden panic moves and disaster. So the Vets are much safer.

I'm sure if I rode in the woods a few times a week for 3 months I'd have a different outlook.
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Now I have a friggin massive contusion in my quad. I don't know if I can ride my friggin road bike it's so sore. We'll see.
Pix of guad?

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No picture. Black and blue, not to bad, still hurts to walk, didn't hinder my riding, 32 miles this AM with a few hills.
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It's all what you're used to. I race with the Master's 35+ fields, very safe, very smooth 99% of the time. **** happens in bike racing of course, but when two guys bump elbows in my race they apologize to each other, nobody over-reacts and their generally is no crash. In a 4/5 field their is often yelling, sudden panic moves and disaster. So the Vets are much safer.

I'm sure if I rode in the woods a few times a week for 3 months I'd have a different outlook.
You got that right about cat4/5. Those guys are freaking dangerous.
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I ride in the woods and I do 'cross and some MTB races. That elbow to elbow thing on pavement can go on without me. Despite P-Cad finding something to hurt himself on, off-road riding is completely nonthreatening to me. Trees are a lot softer than cars, rocks are smaller and less likely to be hit than pavement. Road racing, everything around you is either a sharp edged rock or made of steel. Not so fun an environment.

Rattlesnakes and armadillos are more predictable than pedestrians.
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I'd say I crash in some fashion probably 1 in 5 times I go out for a mountain bike ride. No injuries (save a little bit of rash) as I keep my crashes small. But I've never even come close to a road bike crash. I think falling off is just part of mountain biking.

And yes, I've done something similar to pcad's little spill: standing over the bike, lose balance, fall.

But mostly all of this is just because I'm incompetent.
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Keep jammin...it's just a bruise, it could be a scar situation. Plus, it's something to remember your first real mtb ride!
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So we go for a more extended MTB ride today, to the top of Goosepond Mtn, a 1200' ridge here in Chester, NY. It gets technical climbing and descending, etc., lovely views, the works. You know, way over my pathetic roadie head, and my pal (one of my employees) is consistently waiting for me (he's been a hard core MTBer for 15+ years, I'm a roadie who rides an MTB occasionally). I'm standing off the bike as we take a break on the rather technical and dicey single track descent. I'm on relatively flat ground, and lose my footing, keel over and NAIL my right thigh on a root or rock (still don't know which).

Now I have a friggin massive contusion in my quad. I don't know if I can ride my friggin road bike it's so sore. We'll see.

This MTB **** is dangerous. More like I'm a menace to myself and all around me when I step within 3 feet of my MTB. Fortunately nobody was hurt by me. Tonight I needed a hit off an MTB Doobie, but we didn't have any. Oh well. I'm tripping on Advil and chocolate tonight.

It sounds like you are fine on the MTB you just need to work on standing.

I suggest knees slightly bent, weight on the balls of your feet, straight at the waist, chin up. Make sure and try not to look down, as your body tends to want to go where you look.

once you get the basics down, you can start trying one foot standing and standing on stairs.
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Between sticks, falls, and pedals, I usually come home 50% of the time leaking some blood but its never too big unless I do something idiotic, which is 5-10% of the time, usually when Spring first comes, on a Friday. But then again, I have a reputation for falling the most among everyone I ride with. My motto is if you're not falling enough you're not trying hard enough. You can always push it more and more. . I could just be clumsy, but I just tell myself I'm extreme.

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