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Old 08-05-08, 09:26 AM   #1
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Lance's New Tricked-Out 23 lb Race MTB

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This year at the Leadville 100 he looks like a serious threat on that sick 23 lb machine.
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Just read this on the site, and thought I'd post here....beat me to it!!!

I just wish Floyd was doing the race this year too. Don't know why really, but I'm just curious to see who of the two would come out ahead. Landis has the skills, but Armstrong probably has the fitness.

Sweet bike though.
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Looks flexy.

I think he should have stuck with a hardtail - - it would make him a better off-road rider.




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Looks flexy.

I think he should have stuck with a hardtail - - it would make him a better off-road rider.




Also, I think that I read a BF scientist concluded that certain paint colors can actually make a bike faster...
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so I guess Treks new bike isn't 21 pounds after all...
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Carbon has no place on the trails!
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^^ That's right . . . stuff leaves a big 'carbon footprint' where it explodes.
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This year at the Leadville 100 he looks like a serious threat on that sick 23 lb machine.
I can only assume that the Leadville 100 is another "groomed NORBA" course that begs for the technical prowess of a hardcore roadie.

I'll bet that the bike is sitting in the middle of the rocky technical section of the course in that very picture.

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I can only assume that the Leadville 100 is another "groomed NORBA" course that begs for the technical prowess of a hardcore roadie.
I guess you should read a little more into the race... You must be an expert on all things you know nothing about....
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i may be wrong, but i'm pretty sure armstrong got 3rd at the mt snow national finals in 99 or 98... its not groomed
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so I guess Treks new bike isn't 21 pounds after all...
If the seat pack, bottle cage and computer weigh 2 lbs. then the bike would be 21 lbs. afterall.

"Coates said both bikes were under 23 pounds with seat pack, bottle cages and computer. Coates told VeloNews on Monday that Armstrong has settled on the Trek."
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I guess you should read a little more into the race... You must be an expert on all things you know nothing about....
So instead of talking down to me, why not educate us all on how "technically challenging" XC racing has become?

Same thing wherever you go..."Oh just make the course longer for the more advanced riders...it's technical enough. Heck we got several 6" diameter logs strewn across the singletrack here and there."


(BTW...every picture of that course that I could dig up was laughable. It's like XC racing has become road racing on dirt...cross field here...paved road there...oh wait, some singletrack...no rocks peeking out of the face of it though...& God has forbidden any drop larger than a curb)

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I can only assume that the Leadville 100 is another "groomed NORBA" course that begs for the technical prowess of a hardcore roadie.

I'll bet that the bike is sitting in the middle of the rocky technical section of the course in that very picture.
Great, another clueless mtb vs roadie post. . One thing I've learned people that make statements like that arent fast enough for the "groomed" trails. The other thing I've learnt is that guys that go fast on the groomed trails go equally as fast on the supposed "non groomed trails. Speed kills, for those that cant go fast, they complain.

BTW, its called mountain bike "racing", which implies the ability to go fast for a period of time. Not who can ride over logs and trees. I believe thats call trials riding.
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Great, another clueless mtb vs roadie post. . One thing I've learned people that make statements like that arent fast enough for the "groomed" trails. The other thing I've learnt is that guys that go fast on the groomed trails go equally as fast on the supposed "non groomed trails. Speed kills, for those that cant go fast, they complain.

BTW, its called mountain bike "racing", which implies the ability to go fast for a period of time. Not who can ride over logs and trees. I believe thats call trials riding.

And yet another "clueless mtb vs roadie post"
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BTW, its called mountain bike "racing", which implies the ability to go fast for a period of time. Not who can ride over logs and trees. I believe thats call trials riding.
Logs, trees, rocks . . . all of that can and should make up racing a mountain bike racing on a real mountain. I agree with Ed that current-day XC races are little more than dirt-surface road crits, with the most laughable being shorttrack. Even when shorttrack is held on a real mountain, it is usually a crit held on the access roads that surround the ski resort village; hardly mountain biking.

A mountain bike race should be better-defined as a measure of one's ability to carry speed in a somewhat-innordinate amounts for whatever the given trail condition (i.e. - racing over varied mountainous terrain).
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I'll bet that the bike is sitting in the middle of the rocky technical section of the course in that very picture.
I care nothing for the outcome of your MTB vs Roadie debate, but damn, that was funny.
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Logs, trees, rocks . . . all of that can and should make up racing a mountain bike racing on a real mountain. I agree with Ed that current-day XC races are little more than dirt-surface road crits, with the most laughable being shorttrack. Even when shorttrack is held on a real mountain, it is usually a crit held on the access roads that surround the ski resort village; hardly mountain biking.

A mountain bike race should be better-defined as a measure of one's ability to carry speed in a somewhat-innordinate amounts for whatever the given trail condition
(i.e. - racing over varied mountainous terrain).
varied as in uphill and downhill ?
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varied as in uphill and downhill ?
Haha, you caught me there. I meant to qualify that as XC mountain bike racing. I will add, though, that some of the most challenging and unique downhill races I've competed in had some demanding little uphill secttions thrown in.
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people that make statements like that arent fast enough for the "groomed" trails.
Yup...got me blanketed right I generally stick to bike paths. Only paved ones now that I've sold my 5" dually. Whew...back when I had that thing...I could tear me up some gravel roads!!!

The participation would increase exponentially if they'd race on actual MTB terrain...I'm not saying "super gnarly" stuff, just something that my bike was actually designed to ride on. Of course then the Gnar-core roadie-crit'ters would drop out b/c they wouldn't be able to handle the course.

Seems like they dumb down our local trails every year before the races so the beginners can handle it. Instead...they could just race a different loop than the experts instead of just doing fewer laps. I agree more laps are required...but why more laps over "dirt pavement" instead of more laps over MTB terrain?

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Yea, but it is a 17 gram carbon fiber slurpee holder....I bought one at Performance for $19.99. It says, "slurp strong" on the side...
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So instead of talking down to me, why not educate us all on how "technically challenging" XC racing has become?

Same thing wherever you go..."Oh just make the course longer for the more advanced riders...it's technical enough. Heck we got several 6" diameter logs strewn across the singletrack here and there."



(BTW...every picture of that course that I could dig up was laughable. It's like XC racing has become road racing on dirt...cross field here...paved road there...oh wait, some singletrack...no rocks peeking out of the face of it though...& God has forbidden any drop larger than a curb)
Basically, that is the definition of XC. Hardpack, dirt, gravel, some pavement. Obstacles can be few, they can be many. XC does not have to be technical to be XC, it just has to be on dirt.

Now what happens when you throw in technical drops, big logs, creek crossings, big roots on steep uphill sections? ... the riders with the skills gain a huge advantage. At a recent XC race I watched some of the most fit and fastest riders lose a lot of time when they had to dismount. I also see them lose time when the "slower peddlers" bomb at sick speeds through the fast twisty downhill sections.

Are races more interesting when the course is more technical? Yes.
Is it any less intense or less competitive when it's not as technical? No.
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What I see in XC races is, if the course gets very technical, it is often faster to dismount and run the section. (especially long technical climbs) At least at my skill level. Many times I've seen my computer at 2 mph on steep, rocky, technical climbs. I can run the section with bike on shoulder at 5mph. My observation being that even if the xc race course were more difficult, it doesn't mean more skill would be the deciding factor in the finish of the race.
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