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    giant trance x2 or 07 santa cruz Heckler

    Okay I am looking at two different bikes both are close to the same price. I am wondering what to get I rode them both and the Heckler felt more compact not as far of a distance inbetween the seat and bars felt really tight. I liked them both alot and am wondering what you think thanks.

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    I have an 06 Heckler, the top tube length is compact, you could get a longer stem (110 mm) like I did if it feels too tight. The compact tube is part of the reason it handles great through switchbacks though. I can't say enough about the travel (5.5 ") as it soaks up everything on my trails (Fox DHX 5.0). It's not the lightest bike though, a couple of my buddies have Cannondale Rushes (one is carbon fiber), and they smoke me up rocks and rooted climbs. A great bike all around though, and I recommend it
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    Why is going slower harder?

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    They guy at the bike store said the Giant was a much better bike I was leary when he said that but yet I am a newb to this sport and know practically nothing. He made a point about peddle bounce on the heckler was alot worse then the Giant he also made a point about the Giant's rear suspension is a true 4 point suspension I believe that's what it is called im not sure. But the Heckler looks like it does but is not. I am not sure what all that ment and if was true or not but I am wondering what you think ? Thanks-Tommy

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    I would like to say the giant meastro suspension system does ridebetter then the vpp. I would go wit the giant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper122 View Post
    They guy at the bike store said the Giant was a much better bike I was leary when he said that but yet I am a newb to this sport and know practically nothing. He made a point about peddle bounce on the heckler was alot worse then the Giant he also made a point about the Giant's rear suspension is a true 4 point suspension I believe that's what it is called im not sure. But the Heckler looks like it does but is not. I am not sure what all that ment and if was true or not but I am wondering what you think ? Thanks-Tommy
    I'm not sure what all that meant.......

    Quote Originally Posted by motoman2100 View Post
    I would like to say the giant meastro suspension system does ridebetter then the vpp. I would go wit the giant.
    The Heckler is a single pivot bike not a VPP.
    Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......

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    Giant is probably better, I've test ridden one of them they seem stretched and have alot of standover. the stock stem is long you could swap that for a shorter one no problem.. nice black color too.
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    how abusive do you want to be with the bike? i'd trust a heckler to take more of a beating than the trance-x line.

    similar prices, but similar parts spec? geometry and sizing?
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    I had a heckler for 2 years and just recently bought a trance x2.
    over all I like the trance better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Monkey View Post
    I like the trance better.
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    Any more import would be great!!

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    giant has a far superior suspension, but the x isnt nearly as good as the old 4 inch bike. go trance...better bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_Biker View Post
    giant has a far superior suspension
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_Biker View Post
    giant has a far superior suspension, but the x isnt nearly as good as the old 4 inch bike. go trance...better bike.
    Why is it better?
    Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......

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    Because single pivot bikes suck.

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    just google search "maestro", and you will see why its better....

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    Yeah...funny how Giant says the Maestro design is better than others. You'd think they would publicly admit that they are inferior. (seriously, dude??)


    I heard that the best design was the Equilink. I think I read it on Felt's website.

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    i use to sell giant and specialized. if you will look at the new 09 model specialized fsr stumpy, they look a hell of a lot like the old 05 trances...suspension set up speaking. thats because they are trying to get as close to the maestro as they can. i have riden many FS bikes...if i had the money to spend on one....i'd have the trance in a heartbeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_Biker View Post
    just google search "maestro", and you will see why its better....
    That answer is weak sauce. If I google FSR I'll see why Specialized is the cats PJs....and SCs VPP and so on. I like a nice simple single pivot design but someone's gonna jump up and yell brake jack. If you're a smooth rider not prone to panic braking brake jack is minimal. So what really holds water is something like "I've spent a lot of time on Xbike and Ybike and I like the design of Xbike for what I ride becuse". Kinda like G-Monkey who seems to have trail experience with both bike in question here.


    Oh...chelboed, blue single pivot bikes suck hard!
    Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......

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    The giant is technically a single pivot..

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    Quote Originally Posted by chelboed View Post

    I heard that the best design was the Equilink. I think I read it on Felt's website.
    I used to think that FSR was the best, but then I remembered that Specialized sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcoine View Post
    The giant is technically a single pivot..
    Giant is not single pivot, you have two rockers that rock the swingarm around a "virtual" pivot point. A single pivot is a solid swingarm that pivots around 1 point on the frame typically down by the bottom bracket.
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    ^^^^^exactly

    OP...see if you can demo each one, on the same trail...then buy the one you like the best!

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