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    New Bike - $800 limit - Felt or Jamis?

    My '99 Trek 7000 exploded a few years ago and has been sent to the bike graveyard. I've been riding road bikes for the past three years but I've felt the itch to get on the trails again. I want a new cross country bike for less than $800.

    I get a discount at a local sports store where they carry Felt and Jamis mountain bikes. I've been looking at the Felt Nine Comp and the Jamis Durango 3. I can get the Felt for $700 or the Jamis for $500. I'm just looking for opinions on which would be the better value. I will probably be riding this bike 3 or 4 times a month (maybe 50-80 miles/month) so it won't see nearly as much action as my road bikes.

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    I like the looks of the felt better but honestly I don't think you could go wrong with either. but I think if you could find something with mechanical disk brakes you might be better off. they are more easily adjustable while riding and with the mech's you spend 30 on cables if one brakes but with the hydro if a tube breaks it costs like 80 for a bleed kit. I think you should try and test the above and see what fits better.

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    Thanks for the input. I never really understood the point of disc brakes on a bike. I never had any trouble stopping myself with v-brakes on my trek but I guess people like the bling factor. Hydraulic brakes sound like a big pain in the ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emj2390 View Post
    I like the looks of the felt better but honestly I don't think you could go wrong with either. but I think if you could find something with mechanical disk brakes you might be better off. they are more easily adjustable while riding and with the mech's you spend 30 on cables if one brakes but with the hydro if a tube breaks it costs like 80 for a bleed kit. I think you should try and test the above and see what fits better.
    Have you ever bought a bleed kit...they aren't anywhere near $80...most can be bought for about $20ish. And how many hydro hoses have you broken? I've been riding hydros for a while and haven't ever broken a hose.

    Quote Originally Posted by liquefied View Post
    Thanks for the input. I never really understood the point of disc brakes on a bike. I never had any trouble stopping myself with v-brakes on my trek but I guess people like the bling factor. Hydraulic brakes sound like a big pain in the ass.
    I guess you don't ride terrain like what I have available around here. FYI, hydros are not a big pain in the ass. Hydros generally require much less attention than mechanicals or V-brakes.

    That said, low end hydros suck...and at that pricepoint, you're getting low end hydros.

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    in that price range it is all about Bang for the Buck, Trek offers more, Gary Fisher can also be had in that range....both are good deals...Felts are very cool but Higher end products at that price all are very similar

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    Quote Originally Posted by never View Post
    I guess you don't ride terrain like what I have available around here. FYI, hydros are not a big pain in the ass. Hydros generally require much less attention than mechanicals or V-brakes.
    I ride in Marin and Tahoe and the only thing I don't ride in is snow. But I guess I will soon see the advantage of disc brakes.

    Should the 29" vs 26" wheel be a factor in my decision? I've never ridden a 29er - does that make tires and wheels more expensive?

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    Whatever fits better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liquefied View Post
    I never really understood the point of disc brakes on a bike. I never had any trouble stopping myself with v-brakes on my trek but I guess people like the bling factor. Hydraulic brakes sound like a big pain in the ass.
    I find not slowing down or stopping in time a bigger PIA.

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    OP:

    The Felt is a 29'er, the Jamis is a 26'er

    The felt has an MSRP of over $1300
    The Jamis $975


    You're asking about 2 different species and level of bike here.

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    Look at the Jamis Dakota Sport MSRP $1175
    http://jamisbikes.com/usa/thebikes/h...kotasport.html

    Possibly the Durango or Dakota 29'ers instead of the 26'ers.


    Here is a good deal on a Reynolds 631 Dragon


    I know these aren't at your "local sports store", but good deals.

    I'm not pimping Jamis b/c I ride one. I just know a bit about them and knew where a deal or two would be.

    You could find just as good of a deal on some other nice rides if you do some research on the web. Specialized makes some great 29'ers. as well as some awesome 26'er trail bikes.

    Go to your local bike shop instead of your "local sports store" and see what they have for closeout stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dminor View Post
    I find not slowing down or stopping in time a bigger PIA.

    You . . . . must . . . . ride . . . . ver- . . . . y . . . . slow . . . . . ly.
    Like I said, I haven't tried discs but I could lock up both wheels at any speed when I had v-brakes which to me means they have plenty of stopping power. It was always the friction (or lack thereof) between the tire and the dirt that was my biggest obstacle when stopping or slowing.

    Look at the Jamis Dakota Sport MSRP $1175
    http://jamisbikes.com/usa/thebikes/h...kotasport.html

    Possibly the Durango or Dakota 29'ers instead of the 26'ers.


    Here is a good deal on a Reynolds 631 Dragon


    I know these aren't at your "local sports store", but good deals.

    I'm not pimping Jamis b/c I ride one. I just know a bit about them and knew where a deal or two would be.

    You could find just as good of a deal on some other nice rides if you do some research on the web. Specialized makes some great 29'ers. as well as some awesome 26'er trail bikes.

    Go to your local bike shop instead of your "local sports store" and see what they have for closeout stuff.
    I can order a specific model if I want through the sporting goods place so those Jamis's are an option as well. They actually have a respected full service bike shop inside the store. The reason I want to stay there is the 40% employee discount I get through my girlfriend. The Dakota Sport would be about $600 there.

    I will just have to test ride a few of these and see which one I like. I'm excited to try a 29er and see how it compares to the ride of a road bike with those big wheels.

    As far as the lower end shocks, is there a best of the bunch? I don't see myself replacing the stock one unless it really sucks (I stuck with the Judy XC on my Trek until the whole bike died). I've lost track of the hierarchy of shocks these days.

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    The Tora on the Dakota and the Felt is a good, durable fork. I'd steer clear of the Dart if at all possible. That would be a "deal killer" for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liquefied View Post
    Like I said, I haven't tried discs but I could lock up both wheels at any speed when I had v-brakes which to me means they have plenty of stopping power. It was always the friction (or lack thereof) between the tire and the dirt that was my biggest obstacle when stopping or slowing.
    I have never understood the argument that "locking up my wheels" means you have more stopping power. That is exactly why they put Anti-lock Braking Systems (ABS) on automobiles -- so you don't lock up your brakes. Skidding is not as efficient as controlled braking.
    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "WOW! WHAT A RIDE!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old School View Post
    I have never understood the argument that "locking up my wheels" means you have more stopping power. That is exactly why they put Anti-lock Braking Systems (ABS) on automobiles -- so you don't lock up your brakes. Skidding is not as efficient as controlled braking.
    Exactly. I have an old Cornbinder pickup that I'm sure I can lock up the back end with the old driveline e-brake - - but that beast would by no means be the star of the skidpad. It would take out all the cones, most of the guys in lab coats with clipboards and the roadside diner in the next county.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emj2390 View Post
    you spend 30 on cables if one brakes

    I'll happily sell you cables all day long for $20.

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    Discs give you more more modulation than V-brakes. Also if you bend up you rim after landing a sweet jump (ever take your bike off any?) your V-brakes will be hiccuping and jerking you along until you true the rim up. Disc brakes also save wear on your rims, and allow using rims without a brake surface, which will be lighter and have a smaller crossection.

    Discs do occasionally get bent up, but they're easy to bend back and cheap to replace if you need to. I'm running Avid BB7 mechanicals - they're cheap, work great and I love the dual adjusting knobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old School View Post
    I have never understood the argument that "locking up my wheels" means you have more stopping power. That is exactly why they put Anti-lock Braking Systems (ABS) on automobiles -- so you don't lock up your brakes. Skidding is not as efficient as controlled braking.
    What I meant is that the v-brakes had the ability to stop the wheel so they certainly had the ability to slow it down. I understand now that disc brakes have better modulation and I know the benefits of that. Also, ABS systems actually stop you using a controlled skid so if you couldn't lock up the wheels it wouldn't work. Anyways, the analogy doesn't carry over to bikes because if the front wheel is stopped completely at speed that usually means you aren't on the bike anymore.

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    I love these threads.

    Buy the Jamis. The frames never break.
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    The caveat with a strap-on, of course, is you will have to get creative with a couple of lock cables and an anchor point

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    Quote Originally Posted by emj2390 View Post
    but I think if you could find something with mechanical disk brakes you might be better off. they are more easily adjustable while riding and with the mech's you spend 30 on cables if one brakes but with the hydro if a tube breaks it costs like 80 for a bleed kit. I think you should try and test the above and see what fits better.


    I always thought a brake requiring NO adjustment was better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liquefied View Post
    What I meant is that the v-brakes had the ability to stop the wheel so they certainly had the ability to slow it down. I understand now that disc brakes have better modulation and I know the benefits of that. Also, ABS systems actually stop you using a controlled skid so if you couldn't lock up the wheels it wouldn't work. Anyways, the analogy doesn't carry over to bikes because if the front wheel is stopped completely at speed that usually means you aren't on the bike anymore.
    I will say again, if in a different way: You must not generally demand much of a bike if you have never taxed a V-brake beyond its ability to adequately slow or stop you.

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    dminor is in a bad mood today.
    Quote Originally Posted by dminor View Post
    The caveat with a strap-on, of course, is you will have to get creative with a couple of lock cables and an anchor point

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    Quote Originally Posted by dminor View Post
    I will say again, if in a different way: You must not generally demand much of a bike if you have never taxed a V-brake beyond its ability to adequately slow or stop you.
    Or you live in Florida. I have always said that v-brakes are plenty fine. Need to travel some more...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old School View Post
    Skidding is not as efficient as controlled braking.
    I feel like being a smart arse today. "You don't want to lock up the wheels, because, at any thing OVER 35 MPH, stopping distances will be longer,"-Page 8 of the Windy City Chapter of the BMW Club of America High Performance Drivers Manual. But I totally agree with you and all you said about just because your wheels will lock doent mean you'll stop faster. Actually you probably will. Because you'll be on the ground.
    “Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... that’s what gets you.”- Jeremy Clarkson

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    Quote Originally Posted by junkyard View Post
    I love these threads.

    Buy the Jamis. The frames never break.
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    Why would any of us do that? I know that I for one envy your amazing hackness. You're like the chuck norris of hacks. Thats good
    “Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... that’s what gets you.”- Jeremy Clarkson

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