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    Brand Snobbery

    I'm considering a K2 Zed 3.0. Looking around a bit, the K2 and Iron Horse brands seem more common with big box stores.

    Could anyone comment on how difference the performance between, say, a K2's (which I think is off-the-shelf OEM frames, but could be wrong) vs Specialized, Trek, etc...? For example, I've seen many posts saying that the Rockhoppers are a good value because the frame is so good. Besides components (since, for the price, they are fairly well matched between the brands), how big of a difference does Specialized new M4 and A1 alloys really make, especially in Specialized's lower end models (e.g. Rockhopper comp)? Is there something really 'special' about those frames vs other brands?

    I test rode the Zed 3.0 two times. Also tried a Rockhopper Comp Disc '09, and previously had a Novara Ponderosa for a couple rides before it got stolen. I've felt the most comfortable on the K2, felt a little cramped or something on the Rockhopper. These are all 17". I did purchase the Zed from REI today, but haven't ridden it and could return it if there is a really compelling reason to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by npfet View Post
    I'm considering a K2 Zed 3.0. Looking around a bit, the K2 and Iron Horse brands seem more common with big box stores.

    Could anyone comment on how difference the performance between, say, a K2's (which I think is off-the-shelf OEM frames, but could be wrong) vs Specialized, Trek, etc...? For example, I've seen many posts saying that the Rockhoppers are a good value because the frame is so good. Besides components (since, for the price, they are fairly well matched between the brands), how big of a difference does Specialized new M4 and A1 alloys really make, especially in Specialized's lower end models (e.g. Rockhopper comp)? Is there something really 'special' about those frames vs other brands?

    I test rode the Zed 3.0 two times. Also tried a Rockhopper Comp Disc '09, and previously had a Novara Ponderosa for a couple rides before it got stolen.
    I've felt the most comfortable on the K2, felt a little cramped or something on the Rockhopper. These are all 17". I did purchase the Zed from REI today, but haven't ridden it and could return it if there is a really compelling reason to.

    thats all that needs to be said.

    Keep the Zed.

    I am unsure what your post has to do about brand snobbery though. Are you getting ***** from your friends or something?

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    Specialized sucks, particularly in your case.
    First Class Jerk

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    Specialized, Trek, etc...are not boutique snobbery brands. You should be turning your nose up at Titus, Intense, Moots...blah.

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    You forgot Jamis Ed.

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    First off, I just want to say that you did the right thing by buying the bike that felt the most comfortable. One of my own bikes has the wrong "look" (i.e., style) for me, and it's a color that I don't like, but doggone if it isn't one of the most comfortable and well-fitting of all the frames that I own. So I ride it, a lot.

    Quote Originally Posted by npfet View Post
    how big of a difference does Specialized new M4 and A1 alloys really make, especially in Specialized's lower end models (e.g. Rockhopper comp)?
    You can notice the difference if you heft two, bare frames side-by-side. Last year I replaced my son's 15-inch Rockhopper A1 frame with a 17-inch Rockhopper M4 frame. While I had both frames bare of parts, I could heft one in each hand and it was obvious that the larger frame -- the M4 -- was lighter. My son also easily noticed the difference. I never weighed the frames, so I can't tell you how many ounces we're talking about, just that there is a difference and it is noticeable.

    But at the end of the day, you still must pedal the bike. The M4 is no miracle in that respect. Feeling comfortable on a bike is perhaps the closest to a miracle that you can get. Longer rides have taught me a lot on that point. After laying down a few miles, I could care less about paint color and style. Being able to keep on pedaling -- and enjoy it -- takes over in importance.

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    Yeah, they're all snobs.

    Now, NEXT and Mongoose, now there's the read deal for the average joe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonathanGennick View Post
    Feeling comfortable on a bike is perhaps the closest to a miracle that you can get. Longer rides have taught me a lot on that point. After laying down a few miles, I could care less about paint color and style. Being able to keep on pedaling -- and enjoy it -- takes over in importance.
    That's it right there!

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    I have a K2 cross bike. It's jes' fine.

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    INteresting thread and kinda old but having gone from Motobecane and Diamond Back to a Titus, snobery is a poor word. It's all about what your expectations are from the money you spend. I love both the Moto and DB and still ride them for different reasons, DB is a super fun bomber, Moto is a Race hardtail fully loaded with best of components. But the titus is a superb design, great fit, perfect weight for an XC Full Suss bike, and it's a proven design. Snobbery is a way to knock down what you don't ride. I love to ride, THAT is ultimately what it's all about.

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    Well said, et. Where have you been lurking? You must bring your wisdom to print more often

    I mean...freakin' gnar statement, brah!

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    ^^ Indeed. We need some balance to leaven those silly post that guy does with his Photoshop shenanigans. Sheesh

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    I wanna see another "drop bars" thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by rankin116 View Post
    You forgot Jamis Ed.
    True.....after looking at Trek, Giant and Specialized along with Santa Cruz, I bought a leftover Jamis Dakar Xam 2.0.
    Although not real cheap, the frame and component level blows the competition away.

    Almost bought a Trek Fuel EX-8.

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    Had you asked me prior to the purchase, with equal cost...I would have steered to toward the EX-8. I don't feel you made a poor choice at all and I still like Jamis bikes for some odd reason. I think the frame construction on the EX-8 "could possibly be" a little more precise when looking at them versus looking back at my XLT.


    Either way, both are great bikes and the Jamis was probably a better value knowing the M.O.

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    Old thread, but the 2006 Zed 3.0 is what I ride.

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