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Old 05-12-04, 03:35 PM   #1
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How's the Cannondale Jekyll?

Okay, one of my really close friends (who's also the guy that I do serious riding with) somehow got $4000 or so, and being a bike guy, he's blowing it all on a new bike. So right now his first choice is the Cannondale Jekyll 3000. We do XC, and I'm thinking for the money he could do a lot lighter, but he says he also wants to be able to do some light freeriding (although he probably won't, and by light I'm sure he means "very, very, very light, not more than what you'd encounter on most XC trails"). So here's my questions:

Does anyone have the Jekyll? How heavy is it? The trails we usually do have a lot of hard climbs.
Are there any better choices for predominately XC/EXTREMELY light freeriding? Will it come with the hated M960 brake-shift levers?

He *sigh* absolutely needs disc brakes and full-suspension, and also wants full XTR spec (which is the reason why he's getting a new bike in the first place...he doesn't want to just upgrade the XT on his older bike). He says the XTR discs are the lightest and the best...I don't know much about disc brakes. Can he do better on the brakes?

I recommended the Giant NRS Air (or 1), the Cannondale Scalpel (he said it looked as if someone had taken a baseball bat to the top tube), the Specialized Epic, and the Specialized Enduro (he didn't like the "look" of it, although I think it looks the best out of all of these bikes). We also looked over the Trek Fuel, but he thought the carbon-fiber frame looked sketchy. How much is carbon fiber prone to cracks/stress fractures? Can it be used for small jumps and such?

Thanks for your answers, guys. I still can't believe he got all that money! I don't know if we can get bikes from smaller companies, either...the LBS's around here mostly carry just the big names.
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Old 05-12-04, 04:05 PM   #2
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if the dude just got $4000 i'd just let him buy whatever he wants
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Old 05-12-04, 05:26 PM   #3
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There are bikes that are much better than the Jekyll for that price. Intense, Santa Cruz, Jamis to name a few. I had the Jekyll and took a loss on it to get the SC Blur after a ride on a friends. Yes, there is a difference.
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I agree, much better bikes than the Jeyll for the price.

Personally, I agree with jae33w, a Santa Cruz Blur with an awesome build kit would be schweet. I'm a big fan of Intense bikes, so I'd build up a Spyder or their new 5.5.

Titus would also be a great bike. Turner would make my top ten.

I'm also a big fan of the Horst Leitner 4-bar linkage, so most of Specialized bikes are some of the best as far as production bikes. The new Epic S-works will rock your world.

Yeti's are bikes I drool over. Their new AS-R is a fine piece of art!

Heck, add Ventana's and Ellsworth to the list!

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Old 05-12-04, 09:20 PM   #5
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my buddy runs a jekyll and while yes, its heavier than a blur or my superlight, its still a great xc bike and can take the punishment of good downhill here in northern california like the downieville downhill or northstar ski resort.

He will probably like it, and if hes getting the one with the lefty, it has a LOT of travel!
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Thanks for the replies. Yeah, he'd be getting a lefty (or else not a Jekyll at all, he says). I'll pass this info on to him tomorrow.

I was definitely thinking about telling him to get the Blur...by the way, the Blur's not predominately XC, is it?
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It's focus is XC, but it has a lot of Trailbike in it too! Same with the Intense 5.5!

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There are bikes that are much better than the Jekyll for that price. Intense, Santa Cruz, Jamis to name a few. I had the Jekyll and took a loss on it to get the SC Blur after a ride on a friends. Yes, there is a difference.
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I've been on a Jekyll since '00, and still like it. It handles great for me and I have not regretted the purchase at all. As far as the weight goes, with alot of high end xc components, it could go sub 25 pounds (mine weighed 24.5 new). With heavier componentry (fork, tires, rims and bar) that lean toward freeriding, it now weighs 28 pounds. Honestly, I would not go back to the lightweight stuff as it would hold back my riding style now. Mine started with a 70mm Headshok Ultra which I changed to a Fox Talas, so I have no input about the lefty.
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Kayle, osunds to me like your friend knows a lot more about what he wants and needs than you do. I suggest you just allow him enjoy his Jekyll. You can repost the question when you come into $4000 and want a bike speced the way you suggest.

Some here claim there are better bikes for the price ie Jamis, Santa Cruz, intense etal, well i disagree.
everybody has different tastes and prefer different types of bikes. I would take the Jekyll over the rest because of:

1) the Lefty fork
2) the rear end can be locked out which provides a better pedalling platform than the Blur, Jamis or intense. Whats so special about VPP??
3) the XTR components are top notch and nothing offers as much performance for the money.
4) It's a cannondale which means excellent warranty and product design and testing.

the others you mention are just boutique brands which i am not fond of. Their selling price is higher but they don't offer as much on going product testing as the boys from Pennsylvania

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From personal exprience is:
1)I dislike the lefty, talk about a pogo stick!
2)The lockout does NOT lockout, just stiffens out quite a bit. It's not the VPP design I like, it's the rear shock. Technology has made rear lockouts obsolete.
3)You can put XTR on anything, XT is cheaper and just as good though.
4)My 03' crackendale jekyll was true to it's name, hence my loss. Most don't break provided you don't abuse them, but Cannondale told me that a rough trail was enough to void the warranty. So much for the excellent warranty.
Na, I'll never buy a Cannondale again, good luck to those that do though and may the force be with you!
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From personal exprience is:
1)I dislike the lefty, talk about a pogo stick!
i guess you had a monday fork. Mine and everyone else I know with one think it's teh best XC fork available. best damping, stiff and light.

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2)The lockout does NOT lockout, just stiffens out quite a bit. It's not the VPP design I like, it's the rear shock. Technology has made rear lockouts obsolete.
definately a monday fork

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3)You can put XTR on anything, XT is cheaper and just as good though.
true , very true


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4)My 03' crackendale jekyll was true to it's name, hence my loss. Most don't break provided you don't abuse them, but Cannondale told me that a rough trail was enough to void the warranty. So much for the excellent warranty.
Na, I'll never buy a Cannondale again, good luck to those that do though and may the force be with you!
Ok i get the picture now. Cannondale id'nt warranty your frame so you're a bit miffe about it. In all fairness, i've been a cannondale rider for over 10yrs and have never has to warranty a frame. The only bikes I've seen that have failed, did so because the owners used a Xc race hardtail as jump bike.
Somepeople have this idea that it's ok to abuse your stuff because you paid money for it, then claim a new one under warranty. when guess what, it's called stealing.

Not saying this is whatyou did as I'm sure there are plenty of bikes out there that simply fail or crack due to manufacturing reasons, but from what I've seen, Cannondale have been very fair in this.
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IMHO, Jekyll's are over-rated. My pics: Epic, Blur, NRS, Intense, Yeti (drool!!), Kona. I like my Epic, and my honey loves his Blur. Although, Intense has a VPP now, too. The mechanics and freeriders at my lbs are in love with the NRS 1's.

For four grand? Hmmm, I'd build up a Kona Kula Deluxe xc hardtail and a Sofaking singlespeed. Of course, I don't have four grand and your buddy does. He's gonna get the Jekyll, but thanks for letting me dream.
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I garee with A2 Turner, Ellsworth, or Yeti, they are superior to any Cannondale made. o course being biased here the Iron Horse Hollowpoint RL Team is a very nice choice. Also it gets real good reviews on MTBR.
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Buy American, get the C-Dale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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it seems pimp value will win the day...
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I just picked up a Jekyll 600, I didnt have the 4k to spend. I have had it about 3 weeks and like it. Still getting use to full suspension but the lefty and lock out are very nice to have. The components need to be upgraded and will be as I save up for them.

The bike feels solid, very comfortable, climbs nice, and descends well. Im sure there are better out there, however if it fits him and he likes it what more does he need?
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I have a Jekyll, I really like it. I ride my hardtail for when I really need efficiency because my Jekyll feels slow compared to the hardtail. Then again, practically any dual suspension bike feels slow compared to my hardtail especially giving my riding style. The best part about the Jekyll is that the travel is plush as hell on both ends. Mine has taken plenty of abuse considering I rarely ever ride it for anything but light freeriding. I like to take it jumping and bombing down hills and such.. but I wouldn't race it or really even consider it a cross country bike.. I think it's more of a trail bike than anything. I also seriously doubt that you could build most of the bikes that have been mentioned in this thread for 4000 bucks with full XTR. The Spyder VP is like 2 grand in itself. It really just depends on how he's going to be riding it. Personally if I were doing any freeriding there wouldn't be any XTR crap on that beast whatsoever, least of all their wheelset or brakes. I'd buy the Jekyll frame and put on my own fork. I've got a Fatty fork in the front end and three inches of travel isn't nearly enough for a bike with almost 5 in the rear end.
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I saw a FULL XTR Grouppo on Ebay with a BUY IT NOW for under a grand! Throw in a sweet fork for $500 and you're there!!!!

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Hmm.. wasn't aware it was that cheap. Is he looking for a full bike, already built, or to assemble it himself? I doubt he'll find full XTR straight from the factory for that price!
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Hmm.. wasn't aware it was that cheap. Is he looking for a full bike, already built, or to assemble it himself? I doubt he'll find full XTR straight from the factory for that price!
He's actually looking for a full bike, with full XTR (at least the brakes, cranks, deraillers, and the pedals, anyway). The Cannondale sight doesn't list the MSRP, so I don't know how much the bike he wants costs (I haven't been to my LBS in a while, either).

I talked to him earlier today, and now he's thinking about just upgrading his other bike (he'd bought a used FS Cannondale Y-frame for about a thousand dollars a few years ago...has full XT spec). Which was what I had told him to do in the first place.

Thanks for all your replies, guys!
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Kayle, osunds to me like your friend knows a lot more about what he wants and needs than you do. I suggest you just allow him enjoy his Jekyll. You can repost the question when you come into $4000 and want a bike speced the way you suggest.
He'd actually asked me about it, but you're right...now, I'm not saying that this is true, but there kinda mighta sorta been a vague, minimal, unintentional hope that he'd, uh, let me ride his bike. (Damn! I shouldn't have said that.)

But in a more serious sense, when I asked him if he'd looked at some other similiar bikes, he said no (the Jekyll was the only bike he'd looked at). I had the feeling that he was about to blow $4,000 on something that perhaps he'd might want to do some more research on, first.

Arrgghh! He should just give the four thousand dollars to me!
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ahhh I see he did'nt actually know about anything else. well 10 for trying to help him out then.
However, theres nothing wrong with a jekyll. Some people just have a prejudice against anything that doesn't tow the conventional line ie Cannondale, rapid Rise etc
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