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Old 03-23-09, 02:22 PM   #1
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mtb training techniques (roadie turning mtb'er)

whats up guys well im a roadie and i got my first mtb last month but have no clue what to do for trainging. i am a roading and ride just about everyday or so. basically i am looking for some mtb training tips techniques or anything to help me out weither its usinga road bike or on my mtb. i have gone out on trails a few time but just ride. i am looking in to racing a few small races towards the end of the end of the year.
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Many like Ned Overend's book Mountain Bike Like a Champion...
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>>(roadie turning mtb'er)<<

Traitor. You're dead to me now.
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Then check out Ned's book.


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Old 03-23-09, 10:30 PM   #5
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>>(roadie turning mtb'er)<<

Traitor. You're dead to me now.
noooooo. pcad it isnt as it sounds, i ride road jsut about every day, adding more variety to my road rides to be come stronger and am looking for some more races on my road bike. got a mtb to have some fun and train a lil differently and do some races once crits come to an end around here.
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"training" is something you do on a road bike.. so youre already on your way.
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"training" is something you do on a road bike.. so youre already on your way.
Agree- Just find the longest, steepest, gnarliest hill and go and ride it. Unless you want to learn technical trails- then just keep riding them till you stop falling off.

Mountain biking is the same as road riding- except you get the heart rate higher- get dirtier and lose more blood.
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Many like Ned Overend's book Mountain Bike Like a Champion...
I like this. Like Friel's work & that other one that builds on Friel's book.
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Mountain biking is the same as road riding- except you get the heart rate higher- get dirtier and lose more blood.
werd! small time roadie/commuter learning that lesson...
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Agree- Just find the longest, steepest, gnarliest hill and go and ride it. Unless you want to learn technical trails- then just keep riding them till you stop falling off.

Mountain biking is the same as road riding- except you get the heart rate higher- get dirtier and lose more blood.
Nice summary, except gotta work in the fact that you're on your own, no drafting/cheating...
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Nice summary, except gotta work in the fact that you're on your own, no drafting/cheating...
Roadies call it "drafting", mountain bikers call it "dirty sanchez".
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that pcads a friggin multitasker aint he?

If you are a roadie, I mean real roadie, then you will be fine engine wise. Just work on the technical skills. Riding in the woods, over logs, and on uneven terrain will be very new and hard to get a grasp on,especially if you are going to be clipping.

Id say you will be like a duck to water after a week.

Its awesome, I love it.

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Agree- Just find the longest, steepest, gnarliest hill and go and ride it. Unless you want to learn technical trails- then just keep riding them till you stop falling off.

Mountain biking is the same as road riding- except you get the heart rate higher- get dirtier and lose more blood.
started my usual wordy post, then... whathesaid... (and others), nothin like trail time.
I also am workin on gettin my 'hacker' status upwards a little; since, until recently, except for time with the kids when they were pre and early teens, I've gotten offroad about 4x a year...
Lots of books out there, many in the libraries, and aside from certain techniques for things like goin over obstacles, jumps and stuff, the jist of all of them was figure out the balance thing and keep the 'momentum' just right for what you are goin thru/over, like water, sand/rock gardens, drops. Too slow and you don;t get thru, too fast and you're bound to endo... How fast? that you gotta figure out with time on the bike.
Fitness - contrary to comment above - heart rate for me is about the same, road or off-road. Actually I can bury the effort greater on the road, since it really is less 'technical'.
If you're doin serious on-road fitness riding, as do I, then we should definitely keep that up.
The fitness and 'strength' have really come in handy when I've had to grunt up some steep and gnarly terrain, and since the 'technique' is certainly lacking, the extra uumph helps makes it happen, without having to bail out.
I'm workin on figuring out the 'momentum' thing... as well as the specifics on obstacles... its all trail time.

I checked out Ned Overend's book Mountain Bike Like a Champion.... very race oriented...
I also like, moe betta, Ann Trombley's "Serious Mountain Biking" - also ultimately race oriented, but a lot more 'technique' stuff and generally trail useful info for non-race...
and there's a bunch of stuff on the internet for specific topics...

... wordy... oh well...
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just go ride the trails... best training ever, muddy days do some miles on the street with the roadie to keep you in shape. couple weeks you should be fine
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Safety first.

1) Keep your pedals level.
2) Keep your weight rearward.
3) Learn to brace yourself against the bars when braking.
4) Learn to rely primarily on the front brake. It is the only one that can save you when in trouble. The rear brake is only for helping.

Everything else is a matter of practice. If you want some good reading on technique, read William Nealy's Mountain Bike. It's like a comic book for MTB technique. But I think you'll find that a picture really is worth a thousand words.
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Roadies call it "drafting", mountain bikers call it "dirty sanchez".
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and drink more beer
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Resurrecting this thread, as I am wanting to get back on the MTB and do some local races. Still on the road every day. hard part seems to find the time for technical riding. Any suggestions on ways to 'cheat' when you can't get to trails? (Hard here in the middle of urban h*ll) I can't spend all weekend in the saddle; want to, but can't.

I'll go hunting for Ned's book.

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Personally, I'm not a fan of Ned Overend's book. Things have changed since it was published. For becoming a better all around rider I feel that Mastering Mountain Bike Skills by Brian Lopes/ Lee McCormack covers things a bit better.
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i wrote down my ten commandments of mountain biking a while back

1- loosen up on the handle bar deathgrip
2- never lock your arms. keep them loose
3- always look ahead never down.
4- get your ass way back when descending
5- never make a turn or coast with a pedal down
6- you can only go as fast as you can see ahead.
7- keep your weight off the front wheel at all times
8- pump over hills and abosorb air for more forward momentum
9- dont lay on the brakes, just pump them, know the front brakes
10- legs are suspension
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Yeah well, that's just, ya know, like, your opinion, man.
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i wrote down my ten commandments of mountain biking a while back

1- loosen up on the handle bar deathgrip
2- never lock your arms. keep them loose
3- always look ahead never down.
4- get your ass way back when descending
5- never make a turn or coast with a pedal down
6- you can only go as fast as you can see ahead.
7-keep your weight off the front wheel at all times
8- pump over hills and abosorb air for more forward momentum
9- dont lay on the brakes, just pump them, know the front brakes
10- legs are suspension
Uhh.. Why?
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Uhh.. Why?
i like to keep my center of gravity over the rear of the bike to allow the front to float over terrain easier. maybe its just a habit from all my years riding 20 inch bikes.
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5- never make a turn or coast with a pedal down
Umm... no.

For instance, why on a smoothish trail section would it be a better idea to corner with your pedals level rather than your outside one down? All you'd be doing is raising your centre of gravity. You'd also be in a worse position to power out the other side of the corner.

Edit -> Re-read and realised how rubbish my grammar was.

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I try to keep the inside pedal up in a turn and try to push on the outside one more to try to be able to lean more in the turn. My technique is nowhere near as sweet as the pics of the guys who really lean in on the turns. There are turns of the NC crew (and others, I am sure) showing this.
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