Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Mountain Biking Mountain biking is one of the fastest growing sports in the world. Check out this forum to discuss the latest tips, tricks, gear and equipment in the world of mountain biking.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-06-09, 09:47 PM   #1
nebrider
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
nebrider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Scottsbluff, Nebraska
Bikes:
Posts: 267
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Difference between trailriding and XC?

Probably a silly question, but I'm just curious.

Also, I found nothing with search.
nebrider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-09, 10:19 PM   #2
Lebowski
bikes are sexy
 
Lebowski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Sheboygan area, WI
Bikes: [2008 specialized allez tripple], [2006 Specialized hardrock sport], [1998 Robinson Rebel], [1980's vintage schwinn ministing], [2008 specialized epic comp] - [2009 origin8 scout 29er], [2005 KHS DJ200]
Posts: 599
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
XC is generally less technical, there are less obstacles on the trails. trails are usually well groomed. drops are small, usually a foot or less. suspension for XC bikes is normally 3-4 inches of travel, its kinda like road cycling on dirt. a lot of XC riders are all about going really fast on thier lighter weight bikes.

trail bikes normally have 4-5 inches of travel and are made a lot beefier and can weigh more. trail riding is kinda like riding on a hiking trail, the trail builders may not have bikes in mind. there are gnarly parts where you might have to get off and walk, you might have to ride over a flowing creek bed. there could be lots of rocky sections. there arent as many hard tails in the trail bike category, suspension and control are key.


XC geometry is usually more upright and the bikes have shorter wheel bases
trail bikes usually have a more slack geometry and lower standover height

Last edited by Lebowski; 05-06-09 at 10:21 PM. Reason: spelling
Lebowski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-09, 10:22 PM   #3
nebrider
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
nebrider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Scottsbluff, Nebraska
Bikes:
Posts: 267
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
That's... exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.
nebrider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-09, 10:45 PM   #4
Pocko
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Under the Downunder
Bikes: MTBs, BMX, Pocket MTB
Posts: 1,014
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
An inclination towards more lycra and clipless pedals on XC... more baggy shorts and platform pedals on trail riding...

where I'm from anyways...
Pocko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-09, 10:50 PM   #5
Scratcher33
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Eugene, OR
Bikes: Jamis XLT 2.0, Kona Fire Mountain
Posts: 564
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Trail = clipless and baggies for me. Freeride = platform and baggies.
Scratcher33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-09, 11:08 PM   #6
ed 
.
 
ed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: The Summit of Lee
Bikes: Hecklah
Posts: 10,932
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Trail riding = riding trails on a bike...using pedals that you like...wearing some sort of clothing so the saddle doesn't split your nethers.

Last edited by ed; 05-06-09 at 11:20 PM.
ed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-09, 11:27 PM   #7
greenpeppers
Is that the MEEWN?!
 
greenpeppers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: T.O.
Bikes: Kahuna 09
Posts: 43
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I hope they never stop making hardtail trail bikes!
greenpeppers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-09, 08:56 AM   #8
efficiency
Does Not Exist
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Voltairia
Bikes:
Posts: 2,094
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
No difference between the two. It's just a way for the average mountain biker to dissociate from world of XC racing.
efficiency is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-09, 09:07 AM   #9
TwinCam
omygodomygod
 
TwinCam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: yay area ca
Bikes:
Posts: 420
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
I hope they never stop making hardtail trail bikes!
[mba mag]As long as there's paved sidewalks and dirt paths there will always be a place for hardtails.[/mba mag]
TwinCam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-09, 09:57 AM   #10
kenhill3
use your best eye
 
kenhill3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Olympia, Washington
Bikes: '75 Bertin, '93 Parkpre Team 925, '04 Kona King Kikapu, '05 Bianchi Vigorelli
Posts: 3,058
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
It seems silly to need to define any of this crap.

mountain biking
__________________
"I tell you, We are here on earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different." - Kurt Vonnegut jr.
kenhill3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-09, 10:14 AM   #11
frankenmike 
mechanically sound
 
frankenmike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Dover, NH
Bikes: rigid 29er moto, s-works stumpjumper fsr,black fixie,masi roadbike, ugly old hardrock commuter
Posts: 1,375
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Yeah, when I started riding ~12yrs. ago, there was only XC and downhill(downhill racers used hardtails back then). I've always considered it XC if you spend most of the saddle time climbing, even if there is plenty of gnarly, technical ups and downs. A rose by any other name...
frankenmike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-09, 10:50 AM   #12
junkyard
Fourth Degree Legend
 
junkyard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: American Gardens Building
Bikes: 2005 Kona Cinder Cone & 2010 Cannondale SuperSix
Posts: 3,826
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Marketing ploy aimed at confusing stoner, burnout mountain bikers.
junkyard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-09, 11:11 AM   #13
sunset1123
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Missoula, MT
Bikes: Giant TCX 1 touring conversion
Posts: 130
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
No suspension on my XC bike. I prefer it that way. Why would anyone need suspension for trails that are "usually well groomed. drops are small, usually a foot or less." ??? Just learn to ride with good technique. AFAIK full suspension rigs were setup to take drops that were just too big to absorb with arms/legs, which wouldn't be in the category of XC riding.
sunset1123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-09, 12:57 PM   #14
surreal
Senior Member
 
surreal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: NJ
Bikes:
Posts: 3,084
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
as junkyard said, much of this terminology is derived from marketing ploys. the idea is, to act like their are big differences between the various "disciplines" of mountain biking is to plant the seed of doubt in your mind. "Can i ride xc on my trailbike? what about trail-riding on my all-mountain rig? do i need to get permission to take my freeride bike on a downhill adventure?"

That being said, there are many differences between various bikes, riders, and places to ride, not to mentio the style with which one rides these bikes at these places. Lebowski's explanation above is a solid one. Essentially, i think you should ride what works for you, where it works for you, while wearing what works for you. As challenges arise that you can't get around by learning new skills, you might want to get new gear/a new bike. Sometimes trails are too steep for me to fully enjoy on my bike with classic "xc" geometry, for example. And, if you tend to ride in cutoff jeans, a longer ride might convince you to get some shorts with a chamois down the line. But, really, there are no hard and fast rules, and no truly concise definitions. Yes, some riders are snobby and fashion-conscious, and they may deride you for riding the wrong bike at the wrong trail or wearing the wrong attire. Obviously, this behavior is pathetic, and those who cannot stop it need to go become roadies somewhere.

FWIW, unless youre riding the street or skateparks, you're probably riding your mtb on a trail, so the term "trailriding", when used to differentiate one style of mtb-riding from others, never made much sense to me.

-rob
surreal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-09, 02:28 PM   #15
Pocko
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Under the Downunder
Bikes: MTBs, BMX, Pocket MTB
Posts: 1,014
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by efficiency View Post
No difference between the two. It's just a way for the average mountain biker to dissociate from world of XC racing.
Here's me thinking it was the other way around. .. thanks for the enlightening...
Pocko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-09, 06:46 PM   #16
Lebowski
bikes are sexy
 
Lebowski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Sheboygan area, WI
Bikes: [2008 specialized allez tripple], [2006 Specialized hardrock sport], [1998 Robinson Rebel], [1980's vintage schwinn ministing], [2008 specialized epic comp] - [2009 origin8 scout 29er], [2005 KHS DJ200]
Posts: 599
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by junkyard View Post
Marketing ploy aimed at confusing stoner, burnout mountain bikers.
sorry i couldnt read that my eyes are too blood shot

wait what are we talking about again?
Lebowski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-09, 08:05 AM   #17
mtnbiker66
Old School Rad
 
mtnbiker66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: The old Mountains
Bikes: Blur LT
Posts: 8,212
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenhill3 View Post
It seems silly to need to define any of this crap.

mountain biking

Word.......I think..........uhhhhhhh.....
__________________
Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......
mtnbiker66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-09, 08:29 AM   #18
varminter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 204
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lebowski View Post




XC geometry is usually more upright and the bikes have shorter wheel bases
My cross country geometry is well leaned over
varminter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-09, 08:35 AM   #19
varminter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 204
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
if it twasn't all divided up like it is then mtb'ng wouldn't be so Specialized.
varminter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-09, 10:52 AM   #20
junkyard
Fourth Degree Legend
 
junkyard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: American Gardens Building
Bikes: 2005 Kona Cinder Cone & 2010 Cannondale SuperSix
Posts: 3,826
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
this thread just got awesome.
junkyard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-09, 08:54 PM   #21
kenhill3
use your best eye
 
kenhill3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Olympia, Washington
Bikes: '75 Bertin, '93 Parkpre Team 925, '04 Kona King Kikapu, '05 Bianchi Vigorelli
Posts: 3,058
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
No further comment.

(Junkyard- sorry to disappoint.)
__________________
"I tell you, We are here on earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different." - Kurt Vonnegut jr.
kenhill3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-09, 01:02 AM   #22
-_RebelRidin'_-
"STAT"
 
-_RebelRidin'_-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: WVU-Morgantown
Bikes: Trek 3900. 2007 Kona Dawg
Posts: 1,111
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I always included trail riding with XC.
then all mountain and freeride, in my book go together, and then you have Dirt Jump, and then Down hill.

I find a lot of these terms are just made-up marketing devices to fool people.

I, am still after that "Jack of all trades, Master of none" frame....
-_RebelRidin'_- is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-09, 08:39 PM   #23
yellowjeep
Senior Member
 
yellowjeep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Lawrence
Bikes:
Posts: 3,270
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I built my Shadow thinking Jack of all trades. It basically turned in to a AMLFRHTBSH that wouldn't seem right on DJs but would take damn near everything else.

How you like them apples?
yellowjeep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-09, 09:26 PM   #24
greenpeppers
Is that the MEEWN?!
 
greenpeppers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: T.O.
Bikes: Kahuna 09
Posts: 43
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
just get some good geometry on there and you can do whatever the hell you want. Maybe with a 29 inch wheel perhaps...
greenpeppers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-09, 06:23 AM   #25
ed 
.
 
ed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: The Summit of Lee
Bikes: Hecklah
Posts: 10,932
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by sunset1123 View Post
AFAIK full suspension rigs were setup to take drops that were just too big to absorb with arms/legs, which wouldn't be in the category of XC riding.
Wrong, sir. S-Works Epic was not designed to take drops. Dual suspension yields control in difficult terrain. Sure, you can still get through it on a HT or rigid bike, but DH Dan will blow your doors off on his Demo9 through a rock/root infested corner.
ed is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:10 PM.