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    Can I ***** slap Rockshox?

    So I'm on their website for 20 minutes and my brother is on the website at his place and were both trying ot figure out what:

    1. PopLock is....
    2. TurnKey is....

    WTF is the difference between these and why doesnt RochShox say what it is on thier website what they actualy do?

    Little help here please.
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    1. click on the XC icon
    2. hover over the icons lined up after "RockshoxTechnology"
    3. read the popups when you find the techs you're interested in...

    Oh, wait, even simpler:

    1. From the rockshox page, click on the word "Technologies" (just in front of the riders front wheel)
    2. scroll down as you read all about the technologies.
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    Oh jeez, calm down man. Pop Lock Is a bar actuated Fork lock out. IE Thumb operated/// finger operated.
    Turnkey is travel lockout IE Push turnkey lever, push on fork, and fork locks on lowest point of travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
    1. click on the XC icon
    2. hover over the icons lined up after "RockshoxTechnology"
    3. read the popups when you find the techs you're interested in...

    Oh, wait, even simpler:

    1. From the rockshox page, click on the word "Technologies" (just in front of the riders front wheel)
    2. scroll down as you read all about the technologies.


    The scroll over doesnt actualy say what Poplock is and its not listed under 'technologies' but you know what, thats cool......if you dont know the answer I'm sure someone else here does.
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    Turnkey = "lockout" feature from the top of the fork leg. This is only on some of their lower end forks. If you can swing it, something with Motion Control will ride nicer, and give you more adjustability.

    Poploc = a handlebar mounted remote lever. AFAIK, any Turnkey lockout fork can be setup to use a Poploc to have it useable on the handlber remote lever rather than the top of the fork leg.

    Whichever fork you get a damper with or without the remote stuff if you want. Hell, you can even get some with an internally adjustable setup that leaves less crap outside. Depends on the pricepoint and their intended useage of the fork.

    If you crank on enough compression damping , it lets little or no oil flow through the damper, in effect locking out the fork. The various RS dampers let you do this to varying degrees to let you fine tune the ride, not just as a "lockout" feature. Not entirely sure if that is how some of their simpler dampers work, but it's how some of their stuff does. I'd assume most of their range is similar, just with more or less fine tuning depending on the models.

    Actually, they are both listed on the main fork page under the technology header. So, yeah, not sure where you were looking...

    See? No reason for you to get all cranky and whiny. Hell, there is way, way more info about their stuff available on the SRAM/RS site than most suspension makers give. Everything from spare parts lists, user specs, and documents for complete tear downs and overhauls of much of their product range.
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    Hi Jim!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover View Post
    Turnkey = "lockout" feature from the top of the fork leg. This is only on some of their lower end forks. If you can swing it, something with Motion Control will ride nicer, and give you more adjustability.

    Poploc = a handlebar mounted remote lever. AFAIK, any Turnkey lockout fork can be setup to use a Poploc to have it useable on the handlber remote lever rather than the top of the fork leg.

    Whichever fork you get a damper with or without the remote stuff if you want. Hell, you can even get some with an internally adjustable setup that leaves less crap outside. Depends on the pricepoint and their intended useage of the fork.

    If you crank on enough compression damping , it lets little or no oil flow through the damper, in effect locking out the fork. The various RS dampers let you do this to varying degrees to let you fine tune the ride, not just as a "lockout" feature. Not entirely sure if that is how some of their simpler dampers work, but it's how some of their stuff does. I'd assume most of their range is similar, just with more or less fine tuning depending on the models.

    Actually, they are both listed on the main fork page under the technology header. So, yeah, not sure where you were looking...

    See? No reason for you to get all cranky and whiny. Hell, there is way, way more info about their stuff available on the SRAM/RS site than most suspension makers give. Everything from spare parts lists, user specs, and documents for complete tear downs and overhauls of much of their product range.

    Thanks for the info, it was helpful.

    I'll never understand why thses companies dont have clear concise websites. To be honest it makes me NOT want to buy a Rockshox because I get the impression they're trying to 'market confuse' me.

    Just to give you guys an idea of where I'm coming from there have been 2 descriptions of what 'turn key' is and there're both different yet both members have said for me to read the scroll overs on the site.

    Regardless, I need 2 recommendations but i'll start a new thread for those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
    Thanks for the info, it was helpful.

    I'll never understand why thses companies dont have clear concise websites. To be honest it makes me NOT want to buy a Rockshox because I get the impression they're trying to 'market confuse' me.


    Jim
    As said, RS/SRAM actually has more info about their products, and how to maintain/work on said products than most bike specific companies. By a long shot. Just food for thought.

    The last few years and newer RS forks are also stupid easy to work on yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
    I'll never understand why thses companies dont have clear concise websites. To be honest it makes me NOT want to buy a Rockshox because I get the impression they're trying to 'market confuse' me.
    There's a lot of marketing gibberish on SRAM's product a pages. When I scrollover the Poplock icon, I find out that it is "the ultimate in suspension control". Furthermore, I can "turn it on and turn it off". Woot! That's sure helpful. Not.

    To SRAM's credit, they give good information in the PDF documents that you download from their "Service" pages, which you get to by going way down to the very bottom of their product pages, looking for the teeny, tiny word "service", and then clicking.

    But their product pages are difficult to navigate, more full of marketing information than hard facts, and not nearly as useful as they could be.

    As for that "technologies" link, I never until now realized it was even a link. It looked like a heading for the icons such as XC and whatnot below it.

    I like Rockshox products. I run several of their forks on my bikes. But I don't blame the OP one bit for being frustrated at the Rockshox website.

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    Huh. I guess some folks have issues with it, and others not, or some need hand holding with this stuff and others not.

    Poploc: the bar mounted remote that you can use to control your Turnkey lockout/damper. That's it. It's not a different damper, just a remote for some of them. Yeah, it would be nice if it was a bit more clear on the site, but still...

    Read stuff. Be an educated consumer. The info is out there, regardless of the company making it easy to find or not. Marketing info rather than hard facts on a company website? Say it ain't so! They are there to sell you a fork, nothing else.

    And again... Man, you guys thing the SRAM/RS site is bad???? Way more and better info than most companies. Their site is difficult to navigate? WTF?
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    ^^ And at least their English are as better than to be found on many site.

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    What this thread needs is a big box of tissue and nice slice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover View Post
    Man, you guys thing the SRAM/RS site is bad???? Way more and better info than most companies. Their site is difficult to navigate? WTF?

    I cant comment on the other other sections but the Rockshox section is one of the worst corporate websites I've ever been on. It has a poor layout, its NOT easy to navigate and its not clear an concise.

    Here's a good example, I go the homepage and see 'XC', 'Trail' and 'All Mountain'. OK, so I'm riding across the country side to a trail that will let me ride all over the mountain side. Which faimily of shock do I need?

    Without going on a Rockshock website treasue hunt how and I supposed to know what the difference is between a XC, Trial and All mountain shock? At least 'Downhill' is self explanatory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
    Here's a good example, I go the homepage and see 'XC', 'Trail' and 'All Mountain'. OK, so I'm riding across the country side to a trail that will let me ride all over the mountain side. Which faimily of shock do I need?

    Without going on a Rockshock website treasue hunt how and I supposed to know what the difference is between a XC, Trial and All mountain shock? At least 'Downhill' is self explanatory.
    That's why you have to become an "educated comsumer" like scrub said. You can't expect RS to be able to tell everyone which fork/shock they should be using. Hence the reason forks are grouped by common categories used elsewhere in the biking industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by never View Post
    That's why you have to become an "educated comsumer" like scrub said. You can't expect RS to be able to tell everyone which fork/shock they should be using. Hence the reason forks are grouped by common categories used elsewhere in the biking industry.
    I agree.....sort of. Its a shame that I have to go to Fox's website to find out the difference between a trail and cross country shock onlt to go back to the Roch Shox site. If you cant educate yourself about a particular product on the companies website where are you supposed to do it?

    Surf these 2 sites and you'll see where I'm coming from:

    www.foxracingshox.com vs. www.rockshox.com
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    wow...............
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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
    I agree.....sort of. Its a shame that I have to go to Fox's website to find out the difference between a trail and cross country shock onlt to go back to the Roch Shox site. If you cant educate yourself about a particular product on the companies website where are you supposed to do it?

    Surf these 2 sites and you'll see where I'm coming from:

    www.foxracingshox.com vs. www.rockshox.com
    if you dont know the difference between a XC fork/shock or an all mountian/trail shock/fork... then educate yourself before you look to buy.


    to answer your "I'm riding across the country side to a trail that will let me ride all over the mountain side. Which faimily of shock do I need?" question... get a All mountain..
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    I think they leave the site vague like that so that folks that don't know their cycling subgenres will get themselves down to a good mountain bike shop to get the proper fork for their riding style.

    I went to http://www.jacksonguitars.com/ and couldn't figure out which guitar was best for grindcore, then on top of that the site doesn't even describe the difference between grindcore and thrash metal. Lamerz.

    I'm not sure what makes the Fox site any better than RS, but if you like it, then, by all means, buy a Fox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
    I think they leave the site vague like that so that folks that don't know their cycling subgenres will get themselves down to a good mountain bike shop to get the proper fork for their riding style..
    Ahhhh There is a conspiracy Heck If a person doesn't know what kind of riding they plan on doing, they probably should deal with the LBS

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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post

    I went to http://www.jacksonguitars.com/ and couldn't figure out which guitar was best for grindcore, then on top of that the site doesn't even describe the difference between grindcore and thrash metal. Lamerz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -_RebelRidin'_- View Post
    if you dont know the difference between a XC fork/shock or an all mountian/trail shock/fork... then educate yourself before you look to buy.


    to answer your "I'm riding across the country side to a trail that will let me ride all over the mountain side. Which faimily of shock do I need?" question... get a All mountain..
    -_-

    Thats my point...I tried to be an informed consumer so I went to their website to educate myself!!!!!

    The answer to my question is that I was being a smartass.

    Fox doesnt make a fork compatible with linear pull brakes (as far as I can tell), Manitou customer service blows so its looking like a Rock Shox Tora 318 w/ a coil spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
    Fox doesnt make a fork compatible with linear pull brakes (as far as I can tell)...
    According to the Fox website, they do.

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    ^^ There you go, spewing facts again .

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    Hey, shouldn't you be out training for next week?

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