Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Mountain Biking Mountain biking is one of the fastest growing sports in the world. Check out this forum to discuss the latest tips, tricks, gear and equipment in the world of mountain biking.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-28-09, 02:52 AM   #1
ALLSTOTT
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
ALLSTOTT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Az
Bikes:
Posts: 488
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
First Trail Ride On My Rigid

Damn was today jaw jarring. i completely understand the luxury of suspension now. i rode this same trail before with a bike that had suspension and everything about that ride was great.. todays ride SUCKED way to rough for me. so i will be changing out this fork as soon as my wallet allows.

TRAIL: White Tank Mts Competition Track, Arizona
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/n...Photo-0013.jpg
ALLSTOTT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 08:40 AM   #2
David325 
BMW Aficionado
 
David325's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Boston, MA
Bikes: '66 Raleigh RSW, '69 Humber Sports, '71 Raleigh Pro, '73 Raleigh Super Course, '74 Raleigh International, '75 + '77 Raleigh Competition, '87 Raleigh Edge, others
Posts: 230
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Eh, yeah, sometimes rigid can be painful. Really, for me though, it's the challenge of it that makes it fun. Although, I suppose it's not for everybody. For the time being you should try dropping your tire pressures as much as possible and wearing thicker gloves. Or, just get used to it.
David325 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 09:19 AM   #3
stapfam
Time for a change.
 
stapfam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: 6 miles inland from the coast of Sussex, in the South East of England
Bikes: Dale MT2000. Bianchi FS920 Kona Explosif. Giant TCR C. Boreas Ignis. Pinarello Fp Uno.
Posts: 19,915
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Riding rigid takes a skill that has to be aquired. Line selection is very important- Knowing when to get out of the saddle is even more so and fast downhills require a different hold on the bars- Hand and arms held firm to retain grip on the bars but NEVER allow them to take your body weight over the jarring bits. But uphill and technical is where a rigid will score. Nice light front end to lift and place wherever you want. No need to use the suspension over lumpy bits- taking momentum from the bike when you can put that front wheel wherever you want it to go.

Have to admit that I now ride with front suspension but only 80mm travel and set up very firm- just to take the sting out of the trail. But if I want a real experience- it is back to the rigid for anything up to 4 hours of XC.
__________________
How long was I in the army? Five foot seven.


Spike Milligan
stapfam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 10:06 AM   #4
mtnbiker66
Old School Rad
 
mtnbiker66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: The old Mountains
Bikes: Blur LT
Posts: 8,212
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I liked my rigid bike........that was when everything in the bike shop was rigid.Now,not so much.
__________________
Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......
mtnbiker66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 10:21 AM   #5
IRONHEAD1
Senior Member
 
IRONHEAD1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Daytona florida
Bikes: Cervelo S1
Posts: 270
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
my first 2 bikes were both rigids and i don't believe I saw but maybe one or 2 bikes in the store with front shocks back then. I liked mine as well but that was up north where the terrain was more forgiving
IRONHEAD1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 10:23 AM   #6
nachomc
Senior Member
 
nachomc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Sacramento, CA
Bikes: Epic and Tarmac
Posts: 1,259
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Maybe you can get some decent money for your purse on eBay and put it towards a new suspension fork
nachomc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 10:53 AM   #7
victim
Senior Member
 
victim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 820
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Does "line selection" equate to "trail braiding"???
victim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 11:32 AM   #8
7daysaweek
Ouch... my knees.
 
7daysaweek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 188
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by nachomc View Post
Maybe you can get some decent money for your purse on eBay and put it towards a new suspension fork


But seriously, give it more than one ride. That's not enough time to make a decision.



Best combo I found was a 2.2 or larger tire run about 20 psi, oury grips (not lock on), and 661 Raji gloves.

Last edited by 7daysaweek; 12-28-09 at 11:56 AM.
7daysaweek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 11:50 AM   #9
Bike Lover
Should be riding
 
Bike Lover's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: S.E. Michigan
Bikes: C-dale- moutain, Pedal Force RS- Campy Record, Quiring Ti XTR, Red line Monocog, S E F@r
Posts: 1,602
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
definitely give a couple more times. It's like going from a full suspension to a hard tail. You need to use your arms now for bump absorption. You may also want to switch to different grips to help attenuate the bumps. Oury's made a big difference on mine.
Bike Lover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 12:03 PM   #10
ALLSTOTT
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
ALLSTOTT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Az
Bikes:
Posts: 488
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
haha i actually run oury's right now.. the only times the vibrations bothered me were on the descents.. other than that it is tolerable are there any tips or tricks to a more comfortable ride other than the obvious(Suspension, & choosing a smooth line)? all right i'll give some more tries.. when i rode yesterday i actually had a 15 lb pack on no gloves and was running 40 PSI Front & Back.
ALLSTOTT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 12:14 PM   #11
Psycle chic
.
 
Psycle chic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 346
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
You're not a real mtb'er unless you've been christened by rigid.
Psycle chic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 12:15 PM   #12
nachomc
Senior Member
 
nachomc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Sacramento, CA
Bikes: Epic and Tarmac
Posts: 1,259
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALLSTOTT View Post
haha i actually run oury's right now.. the only times the vibrations bothered me were on the descents.. other than that it is tolerable are there any tips or tricks to a more comfortable ride other than the obvious(Suspension, & choosing a smooth line)? all right i'll give some more tries.. when i rode yesterday i actually had a 15 lb pack on no gloves and was running 40 PSI Front & Back.
That's a lot of PSI there. I'm tubeless on mine so I can get away with low pressures - I run 24 front and 28 rear, and I'm 190-200lbs depending on time of year + a camelbak. I also use a 2.2 tire (Spec Capt Control). It's going to be rough without suspension, so you just take some stuff slower, try to pick the smoothest way through the obstacles and just keep loose. If you are tense on the bike, you're going to feel it more. Just float
nachomc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 12:23 PM   #13
Daspydyr 
Pedals, Paddles and Poles
 
Daspydyr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Btw the Mohave desert and AREA 51
Bikes: Santa Cruz Tallboy, Ridley Noah, Scott Spark 20
Posts: 5,353
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Now that you've chipped your teeth on rigid, get that suspension fork. I grew up in S. Phoenix so I know the terrain your talking about. Those stones are pretty unforgiving. Vegas trails are "blessed" with the same knarly rocky tracks.
__________________
I think its disgusting and terrible how people treat Lance Armstrong, especially after winning 7 Tour de France Titles while on drugs!

I can't even find my bike when I'm on drugs. -Willie N.
Daspydyr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 12:46 PM   #14
craigcraigcraig
Don't really have a bike.
 
craigcraigcraig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Wenatchee, WA
Bikes:
Posts: 3,368
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
you can't change your bike. You have the bike everyone wants, rigid SS 29er. anything different will be inferior.
craigcraigcraig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 01:36 PM   #15
well biked 
biked well
 
well biked's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 7,088
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
High volume tires and tubeless (below 30psi) is what makes rigid work. Anything else makes it suck. Thank goodness for Stan's tubeless.
well biked is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 02:20 PM   #16
ALLSTOTT
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
ALLSTOTT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Az
Bikes:
Posts: 488
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
yea im running Race king 2.2(Great tires by the way). what the safest psi i can run mind you i ride very rock trails and i weigh 235 and normally have a 10-15 lb camelbak
ALLSTOTT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 04:56 PM   #17
dminor 
Moar cowbell
 
dminor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: The 509
Bikes: are awesome.
Posts: 12,427
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycle_chic View Post
You're not a real mtb'er unless you've been christened by rigid.
I was crestfallen to learn today that I've spent the better part of a decade being a fake MTBer.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Twain
"Don't argue with stupid people; they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
dminor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 05:13 PM   #18
nachomc
Senior Member
 
nachomc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Sacramento, CA
Bikes: Epic and Tarmac
Posts: 1,259
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dminor View Post
I was crestfallen to learn today that I've spent the better part of a decade being a fake MTBer.
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...d-Twenty-Niner
nachomc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 05:55 PM   #19
well biked 
biked well
 
well biked's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 7,088
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALLSTOTT View Post
yea im running Race king 2.2(Great tires by the way). what the safest psi i can run mind you i ride very rock trails and i weigh 235 and normally have a 10-15 lb camelbak
With tubes, I would expect you to get pinch flats at not much below 40psi (depends on the terrain of course).

Again, the key is running tubeless. Are you running tubeless? If so, go to about 30 rear, 25 front. You'll be amazed at the difference it makes from the 40psi you've been running....and if you're NOT running tubeless.....do it!-

Last edited by well biked; 12-28-09 at 06:17 PM.
well biked is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 08:55 PM   #20
7daysaweek
Ouch... my knees.
 
7daysaweek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 188
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by well biked View Post
With tubes, I would expect you to get pinch flats at not much below 40psi (depends on the terrain of course).

Again, the key is running tubeless. Are you running tubeless? If so, go to about 30 rear, 25 front. You'll be amazed at the difference it makes from the 40psi you've been running....and if you're NOT running tubeless.....do it!-
I rode a 2.2 nevegal at 18-21 psi on my rigid over rocky rooty north and south carolina trails for about 2 years until I replaced it recently... not ONE flat, pinch or otherwise. I'm not super heavy but I'm not a featherweight either... 170 lbs without gear. You should be able to run A LOT lower than 40 psi.

Don't know about AZ but 40 psi sounds REALLY high.
7daysaweek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 09:16 PM   #21
well biked 
biked well
 
well biked's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 7,088
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 7daysaweek View Post
I rode a 2.2 nevegal at 18-21 psi on my rigid over rocky rooty north and south carolina trails for about 2 years until I replaced it recently... not ONE flat, pinch or otherwise.
I'd say you are very fortunate.

BTW, the OP weighs 65 pounds more than you do.
well biked is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 09:24 PM   #22
7daysaweek
Ouch... my knees.
 
7daysaweek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 188
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by well biked View Post
I'd say you are very fortunate.

BTW, the OP weighs 65 pounds more than you do.
That's true... 40 psi just seems like a lot of air pressure. And yes I've been fortunate.
7daysaweek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 09:37 PM   #23
lubes17319
Chronic 1st-timer
 
lubes17319's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Lakehood, CO
Bikes: ...take me places.
Posts: 1,125
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by well biked View Post
High volume tires and tubeless (below 30psi) is what makes rigid work..............
These make rigid work as well..
lubes17319 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 09:44 PM   #24
well biked 
biked well
 
well biked's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 7,088
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 7daysaweek View Post
40 psi just seems like a lot of air pressure.
I completely agree. That's why I encouraged him to go tubeless.

My mountain bike background is this:
Started mountain biking on not-so-great fully rigid mountain bikes before suspension. Got more serious about it later on, got a bike with front suspension. Became sold on the value of suspension, and got a full suspension bike about ten years ago. Liked it, but was discouraged when the pivots developed extreme slop after just one year of riding. Went back to hardtails. Got even more into it.

Started using Stan's tubeless in 2002 and loved it, allows very low pressures and prevents punctures as well. Then got back into road riding, which I had abandoned for mountain bike years earlier. Did very little real mountain biking for a few years. Now, I've built up a fully rigid, steel 29er (almost the bike EVERYBODY wants, except mine has a full compliment of gears) and am completely baffled as to why I would have EVER stopped mountain biking.

Like the OP, I felt like I was bouncing down the trails and getting beat up a bit at first, but because I'm running tubeless I just kept lowering the pressure until, WOW, this thing rides pretty plush. And I could definitely go lower with the tire pressure, I'm running about 30 rear, 25 front. My current tires are 29 x 2.2 Geax Saguaro 29's.

Riding with a fully rigid bike isn't for everybody, but I love the simplicity of the bike and the way it makes me choose my lines carefully, and pay attention to what I'm doing, to the extreme-

Here's my bike.The tires I originally had on it were Maxxis Ardents (shown in the pic), but I've really liked the Geax Saguaro's better since I put them on:


Last edited by well biked; 12-28-09 at 09:50 PM.
well biked is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-09, 09:58 PM   #25
ovoleg
Powered by Borscht
 
ovoleg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SoCal
Bikes: Russian Vodka
Posts: 8,344
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
You guys like experiencing parkinsons or something?

The last time I came off a really bumpy descent with my fork locked out I could still feel my hands moving up and down...

rigid = do not want
ovoleg is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:39 PM.