Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Results 1 to 15 of 15
  1. #1
    Senior Member Smallguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,331
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Fox Talas 2nd set of seals..boo

    has anyone else had issues with Fox seals being crappy or do I just have bad luck

    my original seals were good for 2 years this second set has only been on my bike since August

    form what I;ve read allot of people recommend ditching the fox seals and buying enduro seals

    the seals are not done yet but they look like they will need ot be replaced so I';m gonna order up some enduro seals unless there is a better option

  2. #2
    Official Website Waterboy born2bahick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    My Bikes
    a lot
    Posts
    3,271
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Yep Fox fork seals tend to leak. The Enduro seals are said to stop that but are also prone to stiction from the reviews. The real solution is to send the Fox products to push industries, and have them "Push" it.
    I however tend to buy fork oil by the gallon and just replace the seals as needed. It's not so much a problem
    with the seals as it is with the wipers. When dirt gets by them and into the foam seals, It's all over.

  3. #3
    Fool O' crap sscyco's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    spokane
    My Bikes
    Specialized Tricross, Allez steel, Transition, 2009 Bighit 3, Lightspeed Owl Hollow and Kitsuma - and a couple others
    Posts
    1,217
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    +1 on push
    I have a 2005 f100 - seals lasted 2 years then I had it "pushed" - best fork upgrade ever. I still have the fork, but it is on a secondary bike - still works good. I have a 2009 TALAS 140 QR15 now - I will have it "pushed" when it starts leaking.

  4. #4
    Old School Rad mtnbiker66's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    The old Mountains
    My Bikes
    Blur LT
    Posts
    8,212
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I had tons of leaking issues out of my Vanilla.....enduro seals fixed the problem.
    Like a circus monkey on a stolen Harley......

  5. #5
    I have senior moments... bikinfool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Woodside, CA
    My Bikes
    Many
    Posts
    2,153
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    If it's a 36 Push uses Fox seals (just saw Push's post about that over on mtbr http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=582186 ). Another possibility is to adjust the spring in the Fox seal (suspension guru buddy of mine did that for my 36 and it seals better now).
    suum quique
    Mountain bikes: Santa Cruz Hecklers (99, 02, 07), Santa Cruz Nomad, Moots YBB, Trek OCLV Pro Issue, American Breezer
    Road bikes: TST, Trek 2300 (Carbon/Alum)

  6. #6
    Official Website Waterboy born2bahick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    My Bikes
    a lot
    Posts
    3,271
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by bikinfool View Post
    If it's a 36 Push uses Fox seals (just saw Push's post about that over on mtbr http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=582186 ). Another possibility is to adjust the spring in the Fox seal (suspension guru buddy of mine did that for my 36 and it seals better now).
    Spring in the seal? or are you talking about the wipers?. You lost me dude

  7. #7
    Senior Member victim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    820
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Enduro recently revamped the 32mm fox seal. I put a set on a 32 Talas and right off the bat they were very smooth. Whether or not they seal as well as their older design I shall see down the road but stiction wise they are improved greatly.

  8. #8
    I have senior moments... bikinfool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Woodside, CA
    My Bikes
    Many
    Posts
    2,153
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by born2bahick View Post
    Spring in the seal? or are you talking about the wipers?. You lost me dude
    Yes, look at a fox seal, near the top is a small diameter spring hooked around the seal that provides some extra tension against the stanchion; he undid the spring and shortened it a tiny bit. Alchemy maybe, but it seems to work better than the seal that was on there originally...oh, and no stiction penalty that I can tell.
    suum quique
    Mountain bikes: Santa Cruz Hecklers (99, 02, 07), Santa Cruz Nomad, Moots YBB, Trek OCLV Pro Issue, American Breezer
    Road bikes: TST, Trek 2300 (Carbon/Alum)

  9. #9
    Official Website Waterboy born2bahick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    My Bikes
    a lot
    Posts
    3,271
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by bikinfool View Post
    Yes, look at a fox seal, near the top is a small diameter spring hooked around the seal that provides some extra tension against the stanchion; he undid the spring and shortened it a tiny bit. Alchemy maybe, but it seems to work better than the seal that was on there originally...oh, and no stiction penalty that I can tell.
    That's the dust wiper, the seal is a foam rubber band that sits underneath the dust wiper? If I am Wrong please feel free to educate me. I can take it!

    The Wipers are the cause of failure to the seals. Once any mud or ice or sand get's beyond the wipers, the foam seals have no Chance at survival
    Last edited by born2bahick; 01-03-10 at 03:48 PM. Reason: To add to my previous post

  10. #10
    Official Website Waterboy born2bahick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    My Bikes
    a lot
    Posts
    3,271
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Here is a link that has guided me through this three times to date, all with the expected success of the fox original equipment.
    Hope this link takes you readers there

  11. #11
    I have senior moments... bikinfool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Woodside, CA
    My Bikes
    Many
    Posts
    2,153
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by born2bahick View Post
    That's the dust wiper, the seal is a foam rubber band that sits underneath the dust wiper? If I am Wrong please feel free to educate me. I can take it!

    The Wipers are the cause of failure to the seals. Once any mud or ice or sand get's beyond the wipers, the foam seals have no Chance at survival
    Semantics to an extent, the foam pieces are just lubrication devices, they're not seals (think about that). The dust wiper seal is often just called a seal.
    suum quique
    Mountain bikes: Santa Cruz Hecklers (99, 02, 07), Santa Cruz Nomad, Moots YBB, Trek OCLV Pro Issue, American Breezer
    Road bikes: TST, Trek 2300 (Carbon/Alum)

  12. #12
    Senior Member mystolenbikes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Los Angeles
    My Bikes
    Specialized Hardrock
    Posts
    622
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I just send my shocks back to fox for a rebuild (front and back) my LBS said it might take a couple of weeks to get them back we'll see what happens.
    Oh and my front shock is RL32 and the rear is Fox triad.

  13. #13
    Official Website Waterboy born2bahick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    My Bikes
    a lot
    Posts
    3,271
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by bikinfool View Post
    Semantics to an extent, the foam pieces are just lubrication devices, they're not seals (think about that). The dust wiper seal is often just called a seal.
    Fox website doesn't explain about semantics,,,,,,,,, Maybe you can? Dude I've replaced many seals. the foam seal is the oil seal. The rubber wiper is to keep mud and dust from contaminating the seal. Man I'm not trying to bust your chops but let's keep the terminology strait

  14. #14
    I have senior moments... bikinfool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Woodside, CA
    My Bikes
    Many
    Posts
    2,153
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by born2bahick View Post
    Fox website doesn't explain about semantics,,,,,,,,, Maybe you can? Dude I've replaced many seals. the foam seal is the oil seal. The rubber wiper is to keep mud and dust from contaminating the seal. Man I'm not trying to bust your chops but let's keep the terminology strait
    Back up. You were confused earlier by what Fox pieces I was speaking of, and I was using Fox terminology for clarity. Fox calls the pieces in question a foam ring and a dust wiper seal. The foam ring doesn't seal anything, it retains oil for lubrication purposes. You want to call that a seal, go right ahead, likewise if you want to just call it a dust wiper instead of the dust wiper seal like Fox does.
    suum quique
    Mountain bikes: Santa Cruz Hecklers (99, 02, 07), Santa Cruz Nomad, Moots YBB, Trek OCLV Pro Issue, American Breezer
    Road bikes: TST, Trek 2300 (Carbon/Alum)

  15. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    500
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by born2bahick View Post
    Yep Fox fork seals tend to leak. The Enduro seals are said to stop that but are also prone to stiction from the reviews. The real solution is to send the Fox products to push industries, and have them "Push" it.
    Yep.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •